{"id":447257,"date":"2024-11-25T02:27:07","date_gmt":"2024-11-24T23:27:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=447257"},"modified":"2024-11-25T02:27:07","modified_gmt":"2024-11-24T23:27:07","slug":"paul-dragos-aligica-ceea-ce-vedem-pur-si-simplu-nu-se-leaga-din-punct-de-vedere-statistic-si-sociologic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=447257","title":{"rendered":"Paul Dragos Aligic\u0103: Ceea ce vedem pur \u0219i simplu NU se leag\u0103 din punct de vedere statistic \u0219i sociologic"},"content":{"rendered":"<section class=\"article-content article-content--v2\">\n<h3>Profesorul <a href=\"https:\/\/www.stiripesurse.ro\/tag\/paul-dragos-aligica\" target=\"_self\">Paul Dragos Aligic\u0103<\/a> sus\u021bine c\u0103 fenomenul electoral de care a avut parte Rom\u00e2nia \u00een 24 noiembrie 2024 este ceva unic, dar cu at\u00e2t mai ciudat cu c\u00e2t \u201d<em>Ceea ce vedem pur \u0219i simplu NU se leag\u0103 din punct de vedere statistic \u0219i sociologic<\/em>\u201d. El \u00eei invit\u0103 pe speciali\u0219ti s\u0103 nu lase lucrurile a\u0219a \u0219i s\u0103 cerceteze \u00een am\u0103nunt bizareria:<\/h3>\n<p>\u201d\u00cen momentul \u00een care suntem confrunta\u021bi cu o asemenea bizarerie electoral\u0103, sociologic\u0103 \u0219i politologic\u0103, trebuie s\u0103 l\u0103s\u0103m deoparte orice fel de parti-pris politic, ideologic sau animozit\u0103\u021bile personale, \u0219i s\u0103 \u00eencerc\u0103m s\u0103 privim lucrurile dintr-o perspectiv\u0103 analitic\u0103 \u0219i \u0219tiin\u021bific\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Pentru c\u0103 realitatea este c\u0103 &#8211; dac\u0103 exiturile se confirm\u0103 &#8211; dup\u0103 toate probabilit\u0103\u021bile ne afl\u0103m \u00een fa\u021ba unui fenomen politologic \u0219i sociologic unic nu doar \u00een istoria Rom\u00e2niei sau a Europei, ci, dup\u0103 \u0219tiin\u021ba mea (\u0219i rog aici colegii specializa\u021bi \u00een studii electorale s\u0103 m\u0103 corecteze) \u00een \u00eentreaga istorie a democra\u021biilor, c\u00e2t de c\u00e2t func\u021bionale, inclusiv cele din America Latin\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Ceea ce vedem pur \u0219i simplu NU se leag\u0103 din punct de vedere statistic \u0219i sociologic, cu structura de date publice, inclusiv cu structura de baze publice corectat\u0103\/calibrat\u0103 (intuitiv \u0219i ochiometric, e adev\u0103rat) de distorsiunile manipulative venite de la sondajele comandate in ultimele saptamani. NU se leaga cu nimic din ce stim despre structura dinamicii electorale normale in general.<\/p>\n<p>Nu am acces \u0219i nu cunosc structura de date de mai mare granularitate \u0219i de profunzime care se afl\u0103 \u00een spatele a ceea ce este circulat public.<\/p>\n<div class=\"mid-article-partners\">\n<div class=\"partners-widget js-partners-widget\">\n<article class=\"partner-article loading\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.stiripesurse.ro\/rss\/feeds\/bugetul.json\" data-index=\"0\" data-src-name=\"bugetul.ro\">\n<div class=\"partner-article__image-container\"><img src alt class=\"partner-article__image invisible\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"partner-article loading\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.stiripesurse.ro\/rss\/feeds\/bugetul.json\" data-index=\"1\" data-src-name=\"bugetul.ro\">\n<div class=\"partner-article__image-container\"><img src alt class=\"partner-article__image invisible\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"partner-article loading hide-on-mobile\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.stiripesurse.ro\/rss\/feeds\/bugetul.json\" data-index=\"2\" data-src-name=\"bugetul.ro\">\n<div class=\"partner-article__image-container\"><img src alt class=\"partner-article__image invisible\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"partners-widget js-partners-widget\">\n<article class=\"partner-article loading\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.stiripesurse.ro\/rss\/feeds\/sportpesurse.json\" data-index=\"0\" data-src-name=\"sportpesurse.ro\">\n<div class=\"partner-article__image-container\"><img src alt class=\"partner-article__image invisible\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"partner-article loading hide-on-mobile\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.stiripesurse.ro\/rss\/feeds\/sportpesurse.json\" data-index=\"1\" data-src-name=\"sportpesurse.ro\">\n<div class=\"partner-article__image-container\"><img src alt class=\"partner-article__image invisible\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"partner-article loading hide-on-mobile\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.stiripesurse.ro\/rss\/feeds\/sportpesurse.json\" data-index=\"2\" data-src-name=\"sportpesurse.ro\">\n<div class=\"partner-article__image-container\"><img src alt class=\"partner-article__image invisible\"><\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Dar \u00een acest moment &#8211; \u0219i spun asta repet\u00e2nd c\u0103 pornesc de la datele la care am personal acces, \u0219i acestea sunt \u00een general datele la care tot publicul are acces pentru ca nu am fost implicat in mod diect in nimic electoral- pot s\u0103 spun c\u0103 NU exist\u0103 \u00een aceste date publice niciun fundament sociologic sau statistic pentru un fenomen sau un proces de felul celui care ne este prezentat acum, live pe ecrane.<\/p>\n<p>Se pare c\u0103 tr\u0103im o fic\u021biune sociologic\u0103 \u0219i statistic\u0103. Sau dac\u0103 scoatem din joc orice form\u0103 de g\u00e2ndire \u0219tiin\u021bific\u0103, cauzal\u0103, sociologic\u0103 \u0219i statistic\u0103: un miracol sociologic.<\/p>\n<p>REPET: Asta nu \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 sugerez c\u0103 ne afl\u0103m \u00een fa\u021ba unei malversa\u021biuni de propor\u021bii epice. Tot ceea ce spun este c\u0103 NU exist\u0103 \u00een acest moment un fundament sociologic \u0219i un model de explica\u021bie a ceea ce s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat ast\u0103zi.<\/p>\n<p>Prin urmare, probabil cea mai prudent\u0103 pozi\u021bie este s\u0103 NU accept\u0103m niciun fel de explica\u021bie improvizat\u0103 sau specula\u021bie a acestor fapte sau realit\u0103\u021bi p\u00e2n\u0103 nu \u00een\u021belegem mai bine natura lor \u0219i cum au fost f\u0103cute posibile.<\/p>\n<p>Nu cred \u00een miracole sociologice. \u0218i prin urmare nu v\u0103d dec\u00e2t 2 direc\u021bii:<\/p>\n<p>1. Vom descoperi uitandu-ne la date care este structura sociologic\u0103 \u0219i statistic\u0103 a fenomenului \u0219i Romania va intra \u00een istoria studiilor electorale mondiale cu un studiu de caz unic.<\/p>\n<p>2. Nu vom putea identifica structura sociologic\u0103 \u0219i statistic\u0103 a fenomenului \u00eentr-o manier\u0103 care s\u0103 fie conving\u0103toare, \u0219i atunci un alt tip de analiz\u0103 \u0219i un alt tip de r\u0103spuns poate s\u0103 fie dat cu privire la sursele, originile si natura acestui fenomen.<\/p>\n<p>Personal sper ca \u00eempreun\u0103 cu colegii care sunt mult mai versa\u021bi \u00een analize electorale statistice \u0219i sociologice a acestui tip de fenomene, o s\u0103 ajungem la concluzia 1. Pentru c\u0103 dac\u0103 ajungem la concluzia 2, implica\u021biile sunt at\u00e2t de drastice \u00eenc\u00e2t nici nu vreau s\u0103 m\u0103 g\u00e2ndesc.<\/p>\n<p>PS<\/p>\n<p>\u00cen momentul de fa\u021b\u0103, pe fluxurile comentariilor mass media \u0219i pe ecrane, observ\u0103m o grab\u0103 de a accepta aceast\u0103 realitate ca fiind o realitate dat\u0103 \u0219i de a avansa o serie de explica\u021bii foarte superficiale cu privire la originile fenomenului.<\/p>\n<p>Comunitatea stiitifica,\u00a0 comunitatea sociologilor, politologilor \u0219i tuturor celor care se ocup\u0103 \u00een mod serios de analiza acestor fenomene NU isi poate permite acest lux de a accepta la valoarea de suprafa\u021b\u0103 ceva care este extraordinar de netransparent, neclar, lipsit de documentare statistic\u0103 \u0219i de explica\u021bii sociologice reale bazate pe date.<\/p>\n<p>Cred ca e important in acest moment sa incercam a ne autodisciplinam si sa NU legitimam si alimentam acceptarea publica a unei realitati pana nu intelegem ce s-a intamplat in realitate.\u201d, a scris el pe pagina sa de facebook la cald, imediat dup\u0103 anun\u021bul exit-poll-urilor \u0219i mai apoi apari\u021biei num\u0103r\u0103torii oficiale.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<p> Source URL: https:\/\/www.stiripesurse.ro\/paul-dragos-aligica-ceea-ce-vedem-pur-si-simplu-nu-se-leaga-din-punct-de-vedere-statistic-si-sociologic_3503151.html<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Profesorul Paul Dragos Aligic\u0103 sus\u021bine c\u0103 fenomenul electoral de care a avut parte Rom\u00e2nia \u00een 24 noiembrie 2024 este ceva unic, dar cu at\u00e2t mai ciudat cu c\u00e2t \u201dCeea ce vedem pur \u0219i simplu NU se leag\u0103 din punct de vedere statistic \u0219i sociologic\u201d. 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