{"id":2111247,"date":"2026-08-25T18:30:00","date_gmt":"2026-08-25T15:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=2111247"},"modified":"2026-08-25T18:30:00","modified_gmt":"2026-08-25T15:30:00","slug":"ethel-cain-meets-inde-navarrette-two-crazy-bitches-saying-exactly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=2111247","title":{"rendered":"Ethel Cain meets Inde Navarrette: \u2018Two crazy bitches saying exactly!\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[analyse_image type=&#8221;featured&#8221; src=&#8221;https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1200\/0-698-2400-1600\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451702.jpg&#8221;]<\/p>\n<article class=\"main-article longread\">\n<div class=\"article-main-content article-wrapper has-media-but-its-an-image\" data-status=\"loaded\" data-primary-article=\"true\" data-url=\"\/music\/article\/70821\/1\/ethel-cain-meets-inde-navarrette-autumn-2026-issue-dior-\" data-article-id=\"70821\">\n<header class=\"article-header has-portrait-image no-media\">\n<div class=\"wrapper dg-max-width\">\n<div class=\"inner\">\n<figure class=\"main-img no-figcaption\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.8\" data-template=\"Longread Article\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"DC293_Cover_Ethel_Cain_4x5 (1)\" class=\"img\" height=\"3000\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1280\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451702.jpg\" width=\"2400\"><\/span><\/span><\/figure>\n<aside class=\"meta\">\n<div class=\"inner\"><time datetime=\"2026-08-25T18:30:00+00:00\" class=\"timestamp\" title=\"25 August 2026\"><span class=\"month\">DateInMeta<\/span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<span class=\"day\" data-day=\"25\">25,<\/span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<span class=\"year\">2026<\/span><\/time><\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<div class=\"titles\">\n<div class=\"tags\">\n<div class=\"sections\"><a class=\"category vertical vertical - music\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\">Music<\/a><br \/>\n\/<br \/>\n<a class=\"series\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/the-autumn-2026-issue\">The Autumn 2026 Issue<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h1 class=\"title\"><span>Ethel Cain meets Inde Navarrette: \u2018Two crazy bitches <span class=\"nowrap\">saying exactly!\u2019<\/span><\/span><\/h1>\n<div class=\"standfirst\">\n<h2>When Ethel Cain met breakout horror star Inde Navarrette in Paris this summer, the obsession was mutual. Here, southern gothic\u2019s final girl talks to the Hollywood scream queen about being at home in <span class=\"nowrap\">the dark<\/span><\/h2>\n<\/div>\n<p><time datetime=\"2026-08-25T18:30:00+00:00\" class=\"timestamp\" title=\"25 August 2026\"><span class=\"month\">August<\/span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<span class=\"day\" data-day=\"25\">25,<\/span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<span class=\"year\">2026<\/span><\/time><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"tags\">\n<div class=\"sections\"><a class=\"category vertical - music\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\">Music<\/a><a class=\"series\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/the-autumn-2026-issue\">The Autumn 2026 Issue<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><time datetime=\"2026-08-25T18:30:00+00:00\" class=\"timestamp\" title=\"25 August 2026\"><span class=\"month\">August<\/span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<span class=\"day\" data-day=\"25\">25,<\/span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<span class=\"year\">2026<\/span><\/time><\/p>\n<div class=\"providers\">\n<div class=\"contributors\"><span class=\"contributor\" data-contributor-role=\"Text\"><span class=\"contributor-role\">Text<\/span><a class=\"contributor-name\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/user\/DominiqueSisley\"><br \/>\nDominique Sisley<br \/>\n<\/a><\/span><span class=\"contributor\" data-contributor-role=\"Photography\"><span class=\"contributor-role\">Photography<\/span><a class=\"contributor-name\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/user\/JetSwan\"><br \/>\nJet Swan<br \/>\n<\/a><\/span><span class=\"contributor\" data-contributor-role=\"Styling\"><span class=\"contributor-role\">Styling<\/span><a class=\"contributor-name\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/user\/EllieGraceCumming\"><br \/>\nEllie Grace Cumming<br \/>\n<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/header>\n<div class=\"article-body-container\">\n<div class=\"article-body wrapper\">\n<div class=\"dazed-gallery has-9-images \">\n<div class=\"inner\">\n<header>\n<div class=\"info\"><span class=\"heading\">Ethel Cain \u2013 The Autumn <span class=\"nowrap\">2026 Issue<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/header>\n<div class=\"gallery\">\n<div class=\"gallery-thumbs\">\n<div class=\"gallery-thumb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\/gallery\/37322\/0\/ethel-cain-the-autumn-2026-issue\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"landscape\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"690\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/320\/0-0-1035-690\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451453.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"gallery-thumb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\/gallery\/37322\/1\/ethel-cain-the-autumn-2026-issue\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"landscape\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"DC293_COV2_M2_JetSwan_EllieGraceCumming_02\" class=\"img\" height=\"880\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/320\/0-0-1320-880\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451454.jpg\" width=\"1320\"><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"gallery-thumb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\/gallery\/37322\/2\/ethel-cain-the-autumn-2026-issue\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"landscape\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"690\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/320\/0-0-1035-690\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451455.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"gallery-thumb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\/gallery\/37322\/3\/ethel-cain-the-autumn-2026-issue\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"landscape\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"DC293_COV2_M2_JetSwan_EllieGraceCumming_04\" class=\"img\" height=\"690\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/320\/0-0-1035-690\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451456.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"gallery-thumb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\/gallery\/37322\/4\/ethel-cain-the-autumn-2026-issue\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"landscape\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"690\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/320\/0-0-1035-690\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451457.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"gallery-thumb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\/gallery\/37322\/5\/ethel-cain-the-autumn-2026-issue\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"landscape\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"690\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/320\/0-223-1035-690\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451458.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"gallery-footer\">Gallery \/ 9 images<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><em><span>This story is taken from the autumn 2026 issue of Dazed, which is on sale internationally from September 10<strong>.<\/strong> Pre-order a copy of the magazine <\/span><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/boutiquegalleria.com\/products\/dazed-1\"><em><span>here<\/span><\/em><\/a><em><span>.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span>In the first week of July, Paris was baking under its second major heatwave of the summer. At Dior\u2019s AW26 couture show in the gardens of the Mus\u00e9e Rodin, the sun was oppressive, clothes were sticking to skin and the electric fans offered to guests were working overtime. It was here that Ethel Cain first met Inde Navarrette. Hours later, when the singer posted a picture of the Obsession star on her Instagram Stories, the heat spread online, sending fans of the pair into a collective meltdown.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>As it turned out, their friendship had actually been brewing for months. When <em>Obsession<\/em> hit cinemas in May, Cain was entranced by it \u2013so much so that she went back to see it five times in its opening week. She then sought out Navarrette on Instagram to tell her as much. \u201cYou are mindblowing,\u201d she commented under one of her posts. The actress, who had coincidentally been listening to Cain to help get into character for the project, replied in disbelief: \u201cum i luv u. just in case u were wondering.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>The affinity won\u2019t come as much of a surprise to anyone familiar with their respective bodies of work. These are two women unusually at home in the dark. Ethel Cain \u2013 the musical persona of 28-year-old Hayden Anhed\u00f6nia \u2013 is an artist whose work is steeped in religious trauma and bodily horror. On her 2022 debut album, <\/span><em><span>Preacher\u2019s Daughter<\/span><\/em><span>, Cain constructed an entire southern gothic mythology around her fictional alter ego: the daughter of a preacher in the American deep south, who escapes an abusive religious upbringing only to be abducted, exploited, murdered and, finally, cannibalised by a lover. This was followed by 2025\u2019s <em>Perverts<\/em>, a commercially hostile, 90-minute sprawl of drone and dark ambient and, later that same year, <\/span><em><span>Willoughby Tucker, I\u2019ll Always Love You<\/span><\/em><span>, a doomed teenage love story. These are all much more than albums; they are worlds in themselves, dense with darkly intricate lore and cinematic in their scale. (Cain herself has long wanted to go into filmmaking, and it shows.)\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"30436ba7-488e-4639-abb5-b4ab0121e9c7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451457.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451457.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><span>Navarrette, meanwhile, stunned audiences in Curry Barker\u2019s <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span>, her first major role in a feature film and the biggest horror success story of 2026. The 25-year-old stars as Nikki, a woman whose co-worker uses a magical trinket called a \u201cOne Wish Willow\u201d to make her fall in love with him, with brutal consequences. What could have been a one-note \u201cpsycho girlfriend\u201d role becomes, in Navarrette\u2019s hands, something far more chilling. Her expressions stretch and snap like elastic, shifting between comic neediness and abject terror. It isn\u2019t hard to see what Cain was drawn to: like the women in her music, Nikki is undone by desire, propelled towards violence, and trapped inside a fate she never chose.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>The pair catch up over Zoom a few days after the Dior show. Cain, now back at home in Florida, joins the call first. As you would hope, her surroundings are suitably gothic: swathes of dark fabric hang from the walls, alongside framed artworks filled with unsettling, spectral scrawls. An old 80s TV set sits in the background, while the subtropical sun seeps through the blinds at her window. \u201cInde was such a sweetheart [in Paris],\u201d says Cain, pausing every so often to take a swig from a litre bottle of Pepsi. \u201cWe wound up just kicking it the whole time.\u201d Moments later, Navarrette joins the call, looking comparatively prim in oversized black Dior sunglasses and French tips. Within seconds, they are talking to each other at great speed, with the easy familiarity of friends who have known each other for far longer than they actually have.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>INDE NAVARRETTE: <\/strong><span>I have questions for you, madame.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>ETHEL CAIN: <\/strong><span>And I have questions for you, madame. I\u2019m just going to ask you <\/span><span>a whole bunch of bullshit. But we\u2019ll have fun.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> OK, so, I\u2019m a texture person. When I\u2019m watching movies, I assess the characters by their materials. Like, that person is a couch that\u2019s really fucking itchy and gross. Or that person is like silk: no wonder I want to touch them so much. What material are you?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> It\u2019s funny you say that. I had the first inkling of the Ethel Cain character because I bought this handmade linen prairie dress on Etsy, and it was low-key claustrophobic. It had these heavy linen ties to snatch your waist, so you\u2019re locked in like a straitjacket. Even though it was handmade by the sweetest old lady, there was an inherent pain-as-beauty situation in the textiles. I was like, \u2018This is what it would feel like to be a stuffy, suffocated southern woman.\u2019 That\u2019s where Ethel Cain was born. \u2018I can\u2019t breathe. Let me go write a song.\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"65330d6d-de78-469f-8e45-b4ab0121e2c1\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451453.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451453.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> What about as Hayden?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> I\u2019m a huge baby. I have really bad sensory issues, and I can\u2019t deal with things touching me. I can\u2019t deal with my hair touching me; that\u2019s why it\u2019s always behind my ears. I used to wear tight clothes, but the older I get, the worse my sensory issues get. I have to wear giant sweaters and jeans. I love soft cotton, wool, knits and worn-in denim. I like a free range of motion \u2013 maybe at the expense of showing off the young, hot body I\u2019m not going to have forever. But I don\u2019t care.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> It\u2019s our secret.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> It\u2019s our secret. I know I look banging under here. How about you?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Inde is a family nickname; it stems from being super independent. As Inde, I wear nothing but black. It has to be soft, super thin, see-through, light and flowy. I think that I hide my emotions very well, but everyone in my life thinks that\u2019s bullshit and that [they can see everything written on my face]. That\u2019s what I mean by super thin. OK, next question. What\u2019s <\/span><span>your favourite art piece in your house?<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cI ask myself all the time, \u2018Am I a psychopath?\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> It\u2019s an Antony Gormley piece called <\/span><em><span>Untitled<\/span><\/em><span>. I also have it tattooed on my arm. It\u2019s inspired multiple projects of mine and has such a grip on me; I have it framed on my wall. Right under it, I have a pencil illustration of a live oak [tree native to the southern US] in St Augustine, Florida, by an artist in Alabama, where I used to live. I would always pass it in his shop window. They\u2019re my favourite pieces because they split the difference between me: I love live oaks and southernness, but I also love this weird, alien, brutal, futuristic, apocalyptic whatnot.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Now on to my stupid questions. I know you\u2019re a fellow gamer. I feel like there\u2019s an inherent drive to disappear into the characters you\u2019re playing. Does life ever start to feel like a video game for you? Do you ever get spooked?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Yeah. I get spooked all the time because I\u2019m terrified of being a psychopath \u2013 and I\u2019m scared that my ability to turn off my emotions or compartmentalise has secretly made me one. I find crying in real life strange because the moment I do it, my brain thinks it\u2019s fake.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>While we were filming <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span>, I kept thinking that certain moments [in my normal life] would have made for a really good take. So then I felt split \u2013 am I really this psychopathic, nasty little sicko who can\u2019t feel real emotions like a real girl? And if I am both, how do I take care of both? During <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span>, I played video games because they let me turn off my brain. If the game was violent, it overstimulated me so much that I didn\u2019t have to think. It was almost like a different level of dissociation.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"3cf7914d-430d-40eb-8114-b4ab0121f201\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451461.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed Cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451461.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"d98495e0-35b0-4354-8567-b4ab0121ee66\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1028\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451459.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.76\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\" Ethel Cain Dazed Cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1028\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451459.jpg\" width=\"1028\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> I know what you mean. I\u2019ve struggled with that my entire life. You know the [internalised male gaze]; the idea that every woman has a man inside her brain, watching her? This is an even more twisted version, where there is a me in my head watching me, but it\u2019s not me. It\u2019s so specific to when I\u2019m crying. Within minutes, I\u2019m like, \u2018You look ridiculous. You\u2019re crying too hard.\u2019 That\u2019s probably also a byproduct of the digital age, where we have a mirror held up to ourselves everywhere. You are constantly analysing the way you move because everyone else is, and everyone else is doing it to themselves.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>My biggest gripe with my own psyche is that I can\u2019t just do something normal. Can I act or feel a certain way without immediately anticipating how it will look or how other people will perceive it? Nothing comes naturally, and then I feel insane and much more calculated than I actually am. It\u2019s distressing, and I also ask myself all the time, \u2018Am I a psychopath?\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Yeah, the number of times my search history has been \u2018signs of borderline personality disorder or CPTSD [complex post-traumatic stress disorder]\u2019, with me trying to psychoanalyse it\u2026 I love psychiatry, but I want to be self-accepting without blaming it on something else.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Of course. There\u2019s the [balance] of understanding the cause, without making excuses and saying, \u2018This happened to me, and I am this way now, so I can be this way forever.\u2019 At the end of the day, we\u2019re still in control of our actions, and we can act accordingly. For a long time, I thought, \u2018Well, this happened to me so it\u2019s fine that I\u2019m a hot mess.\u2019 Then I realised being a hot mess wasn\u2019t benefiting me or anyone else.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> I\u2019m going to bring this back to video games. In life, you get all this XP, all this knowledge, but you can\u2019t go back in time. Sometimes that weirdly gives me grief, because in a video game you can. But in life, you truly can\u2019t.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span>\u201cEven though I\u2019m growing up and out, I still need to stay low. I like to stay close to the ground\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Yeah. I struggle with nostalgia, too. I moved back to Florida because I was getting older <\/span><span>\u2013 it was getting weird. I thought maybe I could crawl back into a time when it was safer, I was younger and there was less responsibility. But everything was different. You can never truly go back. I can walk into my kitchen today and it\u2019s not even the same kitchen as yesterday. I struggle with moving forwards; it\u2019s easier to want to live in the past. But a big lesson I\u2019ve learned is to embrace life as it comes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Yeah, I want to get there. I\u2019ll call you when I do. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><strong>EC: <\/strong>Hell yeah, we can chit-chat about it. Kind of on that tip, my other question was about [your process]. I describe my creative process as a turtle: if you make any loud, sudden movements, it goes back into its shell. You have to sit, without moving, for it to slowly poke its head back out. I can\u2019t work on tour; I can\u2019t work after hanging out with people; I can\u2019t work while travelling. I have to sit at home in complete silence, go nowhere and do nothing for it to come back out. When the maelstrom of work quietens down, and you\u2019re able to sit with your thoughts, do you ever get scared [by what\u2019s in there]?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Yeah. I think that\u2019s why I understood Nikki. Nobody [apart from director Curry Barker] knew the pain coming out of me on set was real \u2013 the wails, screams and cries. It felt cathartic. I would go home after releasing all of that, after so many years putting it down. It was nice to go home and actually watch the blood wash off my body because I\u2019d been covered in it all day.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>[The period] after <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span> was strange because I wasn\u2019t working. I\u2019ve always had a hard time making friends, not for lack of trying. There\u2019s this meme of Cillian Murphy that\u2019s like, \u2018Me when I\u2019m having a great time\u2019, and it\u2019s him [pulling a blank expression]. That\u2019s how I feel when I\u2019m safe with my friends. It looks like I\u2019m not having fun, but I am. I\u2019m just sitting there, existing, comfortable enough to rest every aspect of my body. After <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span>, I had no energy for [performance or fakeness], so I found myself actually making friends, because I didn\u2019t have any energy [left to perform with people]. Lately, the friends that I want to make are also scared of their own brains. <\/span><span>Do you think Nikki and <\/span>Preacher\u2019s Daughter<span> would be friends?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Yeah. I think they would have gotten along because they\u2019re both very obviously going through something desperate and brutal while everyone around them \u2013 even the people who claim to love them \u2013 does nothing to help. I think it would have been really bad for everyone else around them if they had gotten along. It\u2019s like the two craziest bitches you know telling each other, \u2018Exactly.\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span><em> [laughs] <\/em>Fuck yeah! And then the whole town\u2019s burning.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"c748a3bd-7370-4d45-8908-b4ab0121e634\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451455.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451455.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"09f91812-947c-4ec9-9388-b4ab0121ec88\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451458.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451458.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Do you have anywhere that is sacred to you? Anywhere you revisit when you\u2019re feeling lost?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Not to sound woe-is-me, but every place I found safe as a kid no longer exists. My grandma\u2019s house is gone. My Australian grandmother lived in a trailer on an orchard; that\u2019s gone, too. My childhood home technically was never a home because we moved around so much. I don\u2019t consider myself super religious, [but] whenever the wind kicks in, I feel like it\u2019s the world\u2019s way of reminding me that everything\u2019s OK, like a hug. I get the most validation not from people, therapy, music or movies, but from the wind, which sounds insane to say.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>My family and I used to go on long road trips and pick out questions for each other. One was about what tree we would be. I\u2019ve always said I\u2019m a willow because of my love for wind, and obviously that was a big part of <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span> [with the One Wish Willow]. So what kind of tree are you?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> I would love to say I\u2019m a live oak because roots are so important to me. Even though they grow upwards and outwards, they have such a complex, deep, strong root structure. Grounding myself and holding on to things is so important to me. Live oaks grow up, but then they grow back down, and they can be super low to the ground. Even though I\u2019m growing up and out, I still need to stay low. I don\u2019t need to get that high. I like to stay close to the source.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Period.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span>\u201cI bought this handmade linen prairie dress on Etsy&#8230; That\u2019s where Ethel Cain was born\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> And [my last question]: what is your favourite aspect of human nature? Mine is that we can change our minds as much as we want. A lot of people hang on to the idea that, if you believe something once, you believe it forever. But our mindsets, opinions and everything about us are constantly evolving. While that\u2019s a little frightening, it\u2019s my favourite thing. We\u2019re always able to change.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Mine is that, even if you grow up being shown all the darkness in the world, there can come a time when someone is there for you unconditionally. I think that\u2019s beautiful. If you find that when you\u2019re young, with your parents or family, it\u2019s great. But it\u2019s also beautiful that you can find it when you\u2019re older. An example that comes to mind is a woman giving birth, surrounded by women, and it\u2019s an experience that happens together. People go through emotional births, and they can have their people around them. You don\u2019t have to be family to have that understanding.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Oh, absolutely. At the end of the day, that\u2019s one of the only things we really do have, that we can lean on. I love that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Period. Thank you so much.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span>This story is taken from the autumn 2026 issue of Dazed, which is on sale internationally from September 10. \u00a0Pre-order a copy of the magazine <\/span><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/boutiquegalleria.com\/products\/dazed-1\"><em><span>here<\/span><\/em><\/a><em><span>.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span>Hair Anthony Turner at Jolly Collective, make-up Anthony Preel at MA+ Group using Byredo, nails Anatole Rainey at Premier Hair and Make-up, set design Christian Feltham, photographic assistants Pierre Nowak, Adrian Martin, styling assistants Charlie Edwards, Cari Lima, hair assistants John Allan, Sam Elliot, make-up assistant Gabrielle Cairoche, set design assistants Romane Huber, Heyder Naqfi, digital operator Florent Brunel, production Margaux Godeau Canac and Suzi Simms at Holmes Production, production coordinators Fanny Ladame, Ley Lalanne, production assistants Caitlin Leach, Lea Dupeyron, post-production Imagine, casting Greg Krelenstein 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image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"landscape\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"690\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/320\/0-0-1035-690\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451457.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"gallery-thumb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\/gallery\/37322\/5\/ethel-cain-the-autumn-2026-issue\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"landscape\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"690\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/320\/0-223-1035-690\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451458.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"gallery-footer\">Gallery \/ 9 images<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><em><span>This story is taken from the autumn 2026 issue of Dazed, which is on sale internationally from September 10<strong>.<\/strong> Pre-order a copy of the magazine <\/span><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/boutiquegalleria.com\/products\/dazed-1\"><em><span>here<\/span><\/em><\/a><em><span>.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span>In the first week of July, Paris was baking under its second major heatwave of the summer. At Dior\u2019s AW26 couture show in the gardens of the Mus\u00e9e Rodin, the sun was oppressive, clothes were sticking to skin and the electric fans offered to guests were working overtime. It was here that Ethel Cain first met Inde Navarrette. Hours later, when the singer posted a picture of the Obsession star on her Instagram Stories, the heat spread online, sending fans of the pair into a collective meltdown.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>As it turned out, their friendship had actually been brewing for months. When <em>Obsession<\/em> hit cinemas in May, Cain was entranced by it \u2013so much so that she went back to see it five times in its opening week. She then sought out Navarrette on Instagram to tell her as much. \u201cYou are mindblowing,\u201d she commented under one of her posts. The actress, who had coincidentally been listening to Cain to help get into character for the project, replied in disbelief: \u201cum i luv u. just in case u were wondering.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>The affinity won\u2019t come as much of a surprise to anyone familiar with their respective bodies of work. These are two women unusually at home in the dark. Ethel Cain \u2013 the musical persona of 28-year-old Hayden Anhed\u00f6nia \u2013 is an artist whose work is steeped in religious trauma and bodily horror. On her 2022 debut album, <\/span><em><span>Preacher\u2019s Daughter<\/span><\/em><span>, Cain constructed an entire southern gothic mythology around her fictional alter ego: the daughter of a preacher in the American deep south, who escapes an abusive religious upbringing only to be abducted, exploited, murdered and, finally, cannibalised by a lover. This was followed by 2025\u2019s <em>Perverts<\/em>, a commercially hostile, 90-minute sprawl of drone and dark ambient and, later that same year, <\/span><em><span>Willoughby Tucker, I\u2019ll Always Love You<\/span><\/em><span>, a doomed teenage love story. These are all much more than albums; they are worlds in themselves, dense with darkly intricate lore and cinematic in their scale. (Cain herself has long wanted to go into filmmaking, and it shows.)\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"30436ba7-488e-4639-abb5-b4ab0121e9c7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451457.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451457.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><span>Navarrette, meanwhile, stunned audiences in Curry Barker\u2019s <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span>, her first major role in a feature film and the biggest horror success story of 2026. The 25-year-old stars as Nikki, a woman whose co-worker uses a magical trinket called a \u201cOne Wish Willow\u201d to make her fall in love with him, with brutal consequences. What could have been a one-note \u201cpsycho girlfriend\u201d role becomes, in Navarrette\u2019s hands, something far more chilling. Her expressions stretch and snap like elastic, shifting between comic neediness and abject terror. It isn\u2019t hard to see what Cain was drawn to: like the women in her music, Nikki is undone by desire, propelled towards violence, and trapped inside a fate she never chose.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>The pair catch up over Zoom a few days after the Dior show. Cain, now back at home in Florida, joins the call first. As you would hope, her surroundings are suitably gothic: swathes of dark fabric hang from the walls, alongside framed artworks filled with unsettling, spectral scrawls. An old 80s TV set sits in the background, while the subtropical sun seeps through the blinds at her window. \u201cInde was such a sweetheart [in Paris],\u201d says Cain, pausing every so often to take a swig from a litre bottle of Pepsi. \u201cWe wound up just kicking it the whole time.\u201d Moments later, Navarrette joins the call, looking comparatively prim in oversized black Dior sunglasses and French tips. Within seconds, they are talking to each other at great speed, with the easy familiarity of friends who have known each other for far longer than they actually have.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>INDE NAVARRETTE: <\/strong><span>I have questions for you, madame.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>ETHEL CAIN: <\/strong><span>And I have questions for you, madame. I\u2019m just going to ask you <\/span><span>a whole bunch of bullshit. But we\u2019ll have fun.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> OK, so, I\u2019m a texture person. When I\u2019m watching movies, I assess the characters by their materials. Like, that person is a couch that\u2019s really fucking itchy and gross. Or that person is like silk: no wonder I want to touch them so much. What material are you?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> It\u2019s funny you say that. I had the first inkling of the Ethel Cain character because I bought this handmade linen prairie dress on Etsy, and it was low-key claustrophobic. It had these heavy linen ties to snatch your waist, so you\u2019re locked in like a straitjacket. Even though it was handmade by the sweetest old lady, there was an inherent pain-as-beauty situation in the textiles. I was like, \u2018This is what it would feel like to be a stuffy, suffocated southern woman.\u2019 That\u2019s where Ethel Cain was born. \u2018I can\u2019t breathe. Let me go write a song.\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"65330d6d-de78-469f-8e45-b4ab0121e2c1\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451453.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451453.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> What about as Hayden?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> I\u2019m a huge baby. I have really bad sensory issues, and I can\u2019t deal with things touching me. I can\u2019t deal with my hair touching me; that\u2019s why it\u2019s always behind my ears. I used to wear tight clothes, but the older I get, the worse my sensory issues get. I have to wear giant sweaters and jeans. I love soft cotton, wool, knits and worn-in denim. I like a free range of motion \u2013 maybe at the expense of showing off the young, hot body I\u2019m not going to have forever. But I don\u2019t care.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> It\u2019s our secret.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> It\u2019s our secret. I know I look banging under here. How about you?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Inde is a family nickname; it stems from being super independent. As Inde, I wear nothing but black. It has to be soft, super thin, see-through, light and flowy. I think that I hide my emotions very well, but everyone in my life thinks that\u2019s bullshit and that [they can see everything written on my face]. That\u2019s what I mean by super thin. OK, next question. What\u2019s <\/span><span>your favourite art piece in your house?<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cI ask myself all the time, \u2018Am I a psychopath?\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> It\u2019s an Antony Gormley piece called <\/span><em><span>Untitled<\/span><\/em><span>. I also have it tattooed on my arm. It\u2019s inspired multiple projects of mine and has such a grip on me; I have it framed on my wall. Right under it, I have a pencil illustration of a live oak [tree native to the southern US] in St Augustine, Florida, by an artist in Alabama, where I used to live. I would always pass it in his shop window. They\u2019re my favourite pieces because they split the difference between me: I love live oaks and southernness, but I also love this weird, alien, brutal, futuristic, apocalyptic whatnot.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Now on to my stupid questions. I know you\u2019re a fellow gamer. I feel like there\u2019s an inherent drive to disappear into the characters you\u2019re playing. Does life ever start to feel like a video game for you? Do you ever get spooked?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Yeah. I get spooked all the time because I\u2019m terrified of being a psychopath \u2013 and I\u2019m scared that my ability to turn off my emotions or compartmentalise has secretly made me one. I find crying in real life strange because the moment I do it, my brain thinks it\u2019s fake.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>While we were filming <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span>, I kept thinking that certain moments [in my normal life] would have made for a really good take. So then I felt split \u2013 am I really this psychopathic, nasty little sicko who can\u2019t feel real emotions like a real girl? And if I am both, how do I take care of both? During <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span>, I played video games because they let me turn off my brain. If the game was violent, it overstimulated me so much that I didn\u2019t have to think. It was almost like a different level of dissociation.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"3cf7914d-430d-40eb-8114-b4ab0121f201\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451461.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed Cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451461.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"d98495e0-35b0-4354-8567-b4ab0121ee66\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1028\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451459.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.76\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\" Ethel Cain Dazed Cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1028\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451459.jpg\" width=\"1028\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> I know what you mean. I\u2019ve struggled with that my entire life. You know the [internalised male gaze]; the idea that every woman has a man inside her brain, watching her? This is an even more twisted version, where there is a me in my head watching me, but it\u2019s not me. It\u2019s so specific to when I\u2019m crying. Within minutes, I\u2019m like, \u2018You look ridiculous. You\u2019re crying too hard.\u2019 That\u2019s probably also a byproduct of the digital age, where we have a mirror held up to ourselves everywhere. You are constantly analysing the way you move because everyone else is, and everyone else is doing it to themselves.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>My biggest gripe with my own psyche is that I can\u2019t just do something normal. Can I act or feel a certain way without immediately anticipating how it will look or how other people will perceive it? Nothing comes naturally, and then I feel insane and much more calculated than I actually am. It\u2019s distressing, and I also ask myself all the time, \u2018Am I a psychopath?\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Yeah, the number of times my search history has been \u2018signs of borderline personality disorder or CPTSD [complex post-traumatic stress disorder]\u2019, with me trying to psychoanalyse it\u2026 I love psychiatry, but I want to be self-accepting without blaming it on something else.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Of course. There\u2019s the [balance] of understanding the cause, without making excuses and saying, \u2018This happened to me, and I am this way now, so I can be this way forever.\u2019 At the end of the day, we\u2019re still in control of our actions, and we can act accordingly. For a long time, I thought, \u2018Well, this happened to me so it\u2019s fine that I\u2019m a hot mess.\u2019 Then I realised being a hot mess wasn\u2019t benefiting me or anyone else.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> I\u2019m going to bring this back to video games. In life, you get all this XP, all this knowledge, but you can\u2019t go back in time. Sometimes that weirdly gives me grief, because in a video game you can. But in life, you truly can\u2019t.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span>\u201cEven though I\u2019m growing up and out, I still need to stay low. I like to stay close to the ground\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Yeah. I struggle with nostalgia, too. I moved back to Florida because I was getting older <\/span><span>\u2013 it was getting weird. I thought maybe I could crawl back into a time when it was safer, I was younger and there was less responsibility. But everything was different. You can never truly go back. I can walk into my kitchen today and it\u2019s not even the same kitchen as yesterday. I struggle with moving forwards; it\u2019s easier to want to live in the past. But a big lesson I\u2019ve learned is to embrace life as it comes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Yeah, I want to get there. I\u2019ll call you when I do. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><strong>EC: <\/strong>Hell yeah, we can chit-chat about it. Kind of on that tip, my other question was about [your process]. I describe my creative process as a turtle: if you make any loud, sudden movements, it goes back into its shell. You have to sit, without moving, for it to slowly poke its head back out. I can\u2019t work on tour; I can\u2019t work after hanging out with people; I can\u2019t work while travelling. I have to sit at home in complete silence, go nowhere and do nothing for it to come back out. When the maelstrom of work quietens down, and you\u2019re able to sit with your thoughts, do you ever get scared [by what\u2019s in there]?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Yeah. I think that\u2019s why I understood Nikki. Nobody [apart from director Curry Barker] knew the pain coming out of me on set was real \u2013 the wails, screams and cries. It felt cathartic. I would go home after releasing all of that, after so many years putting it down. It was nice to go home and actually watch the blood wash off my body because I\u2019d been covered in it all day.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>[The period] after <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span> was strange because I wasn\u2019t working. I\u2019ve always had a hard time making friends, not for lack of trying. There\u2019s this meme of Cillian Murphy that\u2019s like, \u2018Me when I\u2019m having a great time\u2019, and it\u2019s him [pulling a blank expression]. That\u2019s how I feel when I\u2019m safe with my friends. It looks like I\u2019m not having fun, but I am. I\u2019m just sitting there, existing, comfortable enough to rest every aspect of my body. After <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span>, I had no energy for [performance or fakeness], so I found myself actually making friends, because I didn\u2019t have any energy [left to perform with people]. Lately, the friends that I want to make are also scared of their own brains. <\/span><span>Do you think Nikki and <\/span>Preacher\u2019s Daughter<span> would be friends?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Yeah. I think they would have gotten along because they\u2019re both very obviously going through something desperate and brutal while everyone around them \u2013 even the people who claim to love them \u2013 does nothing to help. I think it would have been really bad for everyone else around them if they had gotten along. It\u2019s like the two craziest bitches you know telling each other, \u2018Exactly.\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span><em> [laughs] <\/em>Fuck yeah! And then the whole town\u2019s burning.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"c748a3bd-7370-4d45-8908-b4ab0121e634\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451455.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451455.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure class=\"inline-img expandable dev-view-hide\" data-img=\"09f91812-947c-4ec9-9388-b4ab0121ec88\" data-src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451458.jpg\" data-img-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\" data-img-aspect-ratio=\"0.77\"><span class=\"has-css-custom-props image-container\" data-aspect-ratio-type=\"portrait\"><span class=\"preserve-aspect-ratio\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Ethel Cain Dazed cover\" class=\"img\" height=\"1350\" src=\"https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1035\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451458.jpg\" width=\"1035\"><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"img-caption\"><span class=\"caption\">All clothes, shoes and accessories worn throughout Dior A\/W26, her <span class=\"nowrap\">own jewellery<\/span><\/span><span class=\"credit\">Photography Jet Swan, Styling Ellie <span class=\"nowrap\">Grace Cumming<\/span><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<div class=\"embed-content\" data-embed-type=\"raw-html\">\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Do you have anywhere that is sacred to you? Anywhere you revisit when you\u2019re feeling lost?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Not to sound woe-is-me, but every place I found safe as a kid no longer exists. My grandma\u2019s house is gone. My Australian grandmother lived in a trailer on an orchard; that\u2019s gone, too. My childhood home technically was never a home because we moved around so much. I don\u2019t consider myself super religious, [but] whenever the wind kicks in, I feel like it\u2019s the world\u2019s way of reminding me that everything\u2019s OK, like a hug. I get the most validation not from people, therapy, music or movies, but from the wind, which sounds insane to say.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>My family and I used to go on long road trips and pick out questions for each other. One was about what tree we would be. I\u2019ve always said I\u2019m a willow because of my love for wind, and obviously that was a big part of <\/span><em><span>Obsession<\/span><\/em><span> [with the One Wish Willow]. So what kind of tree are you?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> I would love to say I\u2019m a live oak because roots are so important to me. Even though they grow upwards and outwards, they have such a complex, deep, strong root structure. Grounding myself and holding on to things is so important to me. Live oaks grow up, but then they grow back down, and they can be super low to the ground. Even though I\u2019m growing up and out, I still need to stay low. I don\u2019t need to get that high. I like to stay close to the source.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Period.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span>\u201cI bought this handmade linen prairie dress on Etsy&#8230; That\u2019s where Ethel Cain was born\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> And [my last question]: what is your favourite aspect of human nature? Mine is that we can change our minds as much as we want. A lot of people hang on to the idea that, if you believe something once, you believe it forever. But our mindsets, opinions and everything about us are constantly evolving. While that\u2019s a little frightening, it\u2019s my favourite thing. We\u2019re always able to change.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Mine is that, even if you grow up being shown all the darkness in the world, there can come a time when someone is there for you unconditionally. I think that\u2019s beautiful. If you find that when you\u2019re young, with your parents or family, it\u2019s great. But it\u2019s also beautiful that you can find it when you\u2019re older. An example that comes to mind is a woman giving birth, surrounded by women, and it\u2019s an experience that happens together. People go through emotional births, and they can have their people around them. You don\u2019t have to be family to have that understanding.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong><span> Oh, absolutely. At the end of the day, that\u2019s one of the only things we really do have, that we can lean on. I love that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>IN:<\/strong><span> Period. Thank you so much.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span>This story is taken from the autumn 2026 issue of Dazed, which is on sale internationally from September 10. \u00a0Pre-order a copy of the magazine <\/span><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/boutiquegalleria.com\/products\/dazed-1\"><em><span>here<\/span><\/em><\/a><em><span>.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span>Hair Anthony Turner at Jolly Collective, make-up Anthony Preel at MA+ Group using Byredo, nails Anatole Rainey at Premier Hair and Make-up, set design Christian Feltham, photographic assistants Pierre Nowak, Adrian Martin, styling assistants Charlie Edwards, Cari Lima, hair assistants John Allan, Sam Elliot, make-up assistant Gabrielle Cairoche, set design assistants Romane Huber, Heyder Naqfi, digital operator Florent Brunel, production Margaux Godeau Canac and Suzi Simms at Holmes Production, production coordinators Fanny Ladame, Ley Lalanne, production assistants Caitlin Leach, Lea Dupeyron, post-production Imagine, casting Greg Krelenstein at gk-ld.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>[analyse_source url=&#8221;https:\/\/www.dazeddigital.com\/music\/article\/70821\/1\/ethel-cain-meets-inde-navarrette-autumn-2026-issue-dior-&#8220;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[analyse_image type=&#8221;featured&#8221; src=&#8221;https:\/\/images-prod.dazeddigital.com\/1200\/0-698-2400-1600\/azure\/dazed-prod\/1450\/1\/1451702.jpg&#8221;] DateInMeta\u00a0 25,\u00a0 2026 Music \/ The Autumn 2026 Issue Ethel Cain meets Inde Navarrette: \u2018Two crazy bitches saying exactly!\u2019 When Ethel Cain met breakout horror star Inde Navarrette in Paris this summer, the obsession was mutual. 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