{"id":2102850,"date":"2026-08-20T14:00:00","date_gmt":"2026-08-20T11:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=2102850"},"modified":"2026-08-20T14:00:00","modified_gmt":"2026-08-20T11:00:00","slug":"welcome-to-the-ai-crisis-in-math","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=2102850","title":{"rendered":"Welcome to the AI crisis in math"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><main id=\"content\"><\/p>\n<div class>\n<article>\n<div class=\"duet--article--lede duet--page-layout--feature-article _1se63890\">\n<div class=\"duet--ledes--feature-lede _1m5y14k0\">\n<div class=\"_1m5y14k1\">\n<div class=\"_1m5y14k6 _1m5y14k7\">\n<div class=\"_1xtd7xb5 _1xtd7xb4\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"_1044qiz7\">\n<div class=\"_1m5y14k2 _1044qiz3\">\n<div class=\"_1m5y14k3\">\n<div class=\"_5s9d1e0 _5s9d1e2\">\n<div class=\"_5s9d1e3\"><span class=\"_29pwo217\"><\/p>\n<ul class=\"_1phh1th0\">\n<li>\n<div 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digest and your homepage feed.<\/p>\n<p><button class=\"duet--cta--button _11kb06m1 _11kb06m0 fv263x2 _11kb06mg\"><span><title>Follow<\/title><\/span><span>Follow<\/span><\/button><\/p>\n<p class=\"fv263x4\"><a class=\"fv263x5\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/authors\/nilay-patel\">See All by <!-- -->Nilay Patel<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<p> <span class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup _4aoxp37\">is editor-in-chief of The Verge, host of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/decoder-podcast-with-nilay-patel\"><b>Decoder podcast<\/b><\/a>, and co-host of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/the-vergecast\"><b>The Vergecast<\/b><\/a>.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"zephr-anchor\" class=\"_1044qiz13\">\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b2 _18mzr4b0 _18mzr4b7 _18mzr4b5 _19wv7tc1 _18mzr4bb\">Today on <em>Decoder<\/em>, I\u2019m talking with Robert Hart, <em>The Verge<\/em>\u2019s London-based AI reporter, about what AI is doing to the field of mathematics and the existential crisis many lead mathematicians are having about it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">OpenAI just <a href=\"https:\/\/openai.com\/index\/ten-advances-in-mathematics\/\">published<\/a> a set of solutions to longstanding problems in math that went off like a bombshell in the field. It caused a huge debate in the math community, and Rob spent some time <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/ai-artificial-intelligence\/977273\/the-ai-takeover-of-mathematics-has-begun\">talking to some of the most accomplished mathematicians<\/a> of our time about it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">It\u2019s funny that AI systems are all still pretty bad at elementary school arithmetic, but getting increasingly good at very high-end abstract math. That raises some big questions for the field of advanced math.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">If AI can do math of this caliber, does that mean AI labs can transfer those skills to other domains? What good are academic grants and university programs training new generations of human mathematicians to identify new problems as they try to solve existing ones, if frontier models simply answer all the outstanding questions?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">What if all this attention around math is just a big marketing exercise for frontier AI labs, which couldn\u2019t care less what happens to one of the oldest and most fundamental academic disciplines there is?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">There\u2019s a lot here, and Robert has talked to a lot of people with a lot of views on all of it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Okay: <em>Verge<\/em> AI reporter Robert Hart on what AI is doing to math. Here we go.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--block-placement _1xorkac1 _1xorkac0 duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup _1h0hdr20\">\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><em>This interview has been lightly edited for length and clarity. <\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Robert Hart, you\u2019re our London-based AI reporter here at <\/strong><strong><em>The Verge<\/em><\/strong><strong>. Welcome to <\/strong><strong><em>Decoder<\/em><\/strong><strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Thank you for having me.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>I am very excited to talk to you. There\u2019s a lot going on in particular with AI and math that <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/ai-artificial-intelligence\/977273\/the-ai-takeover-of-mathematics-has-begun\"><strong>you recently dove into<\/strong><\/a><strong>. You spoke to a lot of leading mathematicians about the crisis in mathematics due to AI. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>It feels like a lot, and also like there\u2019s a lot yet to know and discover about the interaction of these two things. A full existential crisis, which is pure <\/strong><strong><em>Decoder<\/em><\/strong><strong> bait. Broadly tell us what\u2019s going on.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I think \u201ca lot\u201d sums it up quite well. Basically a bit of an existential crisis within, \u201cwhat is mathematics? What are mathematicians doing, and what is the role of mathematicians going forward?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">A lot of that has been spurred by a phrase transition in what AI is capable of that has exploded in the last six months to a year. AI went from being very terrible to seemingly genuinely quite good at a professional level in a very short space of time. It\u2019s a lot of what these other fields have been struggling to deal with for the last five years in a very compressed period of time.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>I would put that next to software engineering. We\u2019ve been living through the AI crisis in software engineering for some amount of time. But as recently as 2024, even last year, the conventional wisdom was that AI models were particularly bad at math. The famous example is that these models <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@JerryCuomo\/why-ai-gets-the-strawberry-question-wrong-eba66c7dedd2\"><strong>could not count the number of R\u2019s in the word strawberry<\/strong><\/a><strong>. Even just counting eluded them. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>What has happened to make them better at math? Are they still bad at general arithmetic and they\u2019re good at advanced math, or is it something in between?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">They are still truly, truly terrible at some areas of math. I did check, they can do strawberries now. I think someone\u2019s tweaked it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>I think strawberry\u2019s hard-coded. I want to be very clear, my conspiracy theory is that the strawberry thing is hard-coded into all the models.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I think so too. That is a conspiracy I\u2019ll buy into.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">But yeah, it\u2019s still terrible at those kinds of things \u2014 math, arithmetic, even the days of the week. My boyfriend was saying the other day, \u201cIt keeps thinking it\u2019s Wednesday. It\u2019s not Wednesday.\u201d Or time. Elissa Welle for us a few months ago wrote that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/report\/829137\/openai-chatgpt-time-date\">ChatGPT can\u2019t tell time<\/a>. Still can\u2019t. That\u2019s not all of math.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">So there\u2019s this disconnect. To be good at math, you\u2019ve got to be good at counting, or adding, or multiplying. A lot of it is actually reasoning. If you look at academic math papers, a lot of the time you won\u2019t see numbers, which sums that one up, I think. So they\u2019re still terrible, but they\u2019re now also very good at this other part.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">As to why, at some point you reach a critical mass of what these systems can do. We saw it with writing, we\u2019ve seen it with programming. They\u2019re very good at forging connections between different areas, applying old methods in new ways, those kinds of things. It appears that the newer models they\u2019re training have apparently reached that level where it clicks, and now it can do math.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">It\u2019s important to say as well that we speak of math as a unitary discipline, especially from the outside. But imagine, say, biology. You\u2019ve got something that would range from literally watching animals and describing behavior all the way through to cellular mechanisms and biochemistry. Math is not a unitary discipline either. AI is really good at some bits. Some bits like counting, it\u2019s still really bad at.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Even on the more abstract levels, mathematicians have floated topology as one area that AI apparently still quite bad at. I can\u2019t verify that, to be honest. It\u2019s beyond my area of expertise. Still, it\u2019s a bit of a mixed bag.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>So you\u2019ve described mathematics as a huge field, obviously, with many, many academic areas of interest. There are some parts where the models have gotten quite good. There are other parts, maybe the basic parts that people think of as math, which is simply counting, where they\u2019re still struggling, and then there\u2019s a wide range in the middle. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Is it the wide range in the middle where the existential crisis is, people don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen? Or is it at the parts where it\u2019s really good?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">A bit of both, which I feel is going to be a running theme through this. No one\u2019s really afraid of it being a mediocre mathematician, but obviously there\u2019s a huge element of what this field does. In terms of the research elements or the cutting edge, as we see with a lot of the results that generate hype, what can it do? There are areas now where it seems to be producing work that is on par with good mathematicians, alongside other parts where yeah, it can\u2019t count.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">All caught up in that is whether it\u2019s going to rewrite employment structures or funding structures. You also raised the murky question of, what is mathematical knowledge? And the roles that these workers will be doing as well. It\u2019s all of that wrapped into one.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>I think that tracks broadly with the rise of AI in every field. Where you can just add horsepower or compute to a problem, and there\u2019s some kind of verifiability, it seems like the models continue to get better. Everything in the middle where you might need some world knowledge or the models might need some actual intelligence about the world itself, they seem to struggle.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Those parts of math, at least reported out in your piece and what the labs are talking about, seem to be almost entirely self-contained theoretical problems. That\u2019s where the models can generate a proof or solve a problem that no one\u2019s been able to solve, and then try to verify that that has existed and they can just run it again and again and again.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>That brings us, I think, to May of this year where an internal OpenAI model, which we have not really seen, disproved the unit distance conjecture, which is an 80-year-old problem. And then just recently we heard about Astra from OpenAI. Astra is the one where it seemed like the switch flipped, and everyone decided it was an existential crisis. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>What did Astra achieve, and why is it a big deal?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I\u2019m also pretty sure that Astra was probably behind the early one as well. OpenAI just listed it as an unnamed internal model. It\u2019s probably Astra. They didn\u2019t answer me when I asked.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">OpenAI a few weeks ago <a href=\"https:\/\/openai.com\/index\/ten-advances-in-mathematics\/\">dropped a blog<\/a> along with a lot of paperwork proving it, I think several hundred pages. They called it \u201c10 Advances in Mathematics and Theoretical Computer Science.\u201d It was basically an array of disciplines that they claimed the newest model Astra had solved in some capacity. I think one was in quantum game theory, which I don\u2019t know how to begin to explain. Even harder to explain is there was sphere packing in higher dimensions, so more than three dimensions, and there were a lot of other different disciplines as well.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">It caused a lot of stir in the community. It was a bit of a bombshell. As we\u2019d said, there\u2019d been these individual breakthroughs that had happened, but OpenAI dropped 10 in one go, and they were quite big ones. Researchers had told me that if a human had solved these, we would be impressed. If a human had solved all 10, we probably wouldn\u2019t believe it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">They\u2019re problems mathematicians actually care about as well, which is an important point. A lot of previous breakthroughs have been accused of being in areas mathematicians didn\u2019t really bother with. These are ones that mathematicians, good mathematicians, have spent a lot of time trying to solve and hadn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Let\u2019s talk about these 10. You reported them out. OpenAI did produce some documentation. But they\u2019re not all entirely horsepowered out of nothing, right?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>They\u2019re based on previous work. There\u2019s some question of attribution. What was the response? Is it, \u201cOh, the models did this?\u201d Or was it the response we see to so much AI work, which basically boils down to, \u201cWell you stole this and didn\u2019t attribute anyone, and you\u2019ve built on the shoulders of giants without mentioning it.\u201d How did the response land?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">By and large, the reaction was generally one of being quite impressed, from the people I spoke to. As I said, these are problems mathematicians care about. There was one that drew particular attention for how they credited it and also how they\u2019d announced all of this in their blog post. OpenAI initially had said that these are 10 problems, and there had been no progress in the last 10 years. And then if you actually read the papers, one of them quite clearly says, \u201cOh, we build on progress from these two researchers.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">So that was later changed quite quietly. But a few of the researchers I spoke to were quite unimpressed, and they did feel it was an element of, \u201cWell, yeah, you\u2019ve not credited something that you\u2019ve used heavily here, and by your own acknowledgement.\u201d That said, one of the researchers I did speak to who was one of the ones named, and who was a bit ambivalent on the whole thing as well, so it was a real mixed bag.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">The general impression was that it was quite impressive. These were actual breakthroughs that bothered people, and it did move the field forward in a way that, if a human mathematician had done these, several researchers actually said that, \u201cWell, if a researcher had done any one of these problems, they\u2019d probably be set for an academic career.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>It\u2019s funny, credit and attribution in academia is the whole game. And it seems like the AI companies get away with being sloppy in a way that no human would be able to get away with being sloppy. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Did the scale of the discovery or the work overcome the sloppiness? If a human had accomplished the same goals and had been as sloppy, would the reaction be the same?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Part of me always wants to lean on the whole, \u201cOh, it looks like plagiarism,\u201d element. But if you actually read the papers they produced \u2014 and one of the researchers I spoke to said there\u2019s probably about 50 people in the world who are going to bother reading through this in depth \u2014 it is very clear. It doesn\u2019t attempt to plagiarize. I think it was just a poor press release, to be honest.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">And as much as I love to go in on it sometimes, having covered science for a decade-plus, I find the press releases are often overselling what discovery has actually been made and the import of it and the novelty of it. I think that\u2019s just another case of what happened here.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Does this seem repeatable? There\u2019s some proof that they provided that they solved 10 problems that were unsolvable. Do they provide any proof that they can solve another 10?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">That\u2019s the question. So the big unknown from the near-dozen people I spoke to for this was, \u201cWell how many did they try to get these 10?\u201d Who knows? They know, but they won\u2019t say.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">But that is the big question here. It\u2019s unclear quite how many attempts it took to get these 10. I would be very impressed if it was the first thing they went after, and then out come these 10 impressive results.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">It\u2019s unclear what areas they would focus on next and why. There are, I imagine, business reasons behind which problems they are choosing to publicize that their models can do. All the AI labs have been hiring a cohort of senior mathematicians behind the scenes, so it\u2019s anyone\u2019s guess as to whether they do it again.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">On the question of proof, math is a bit of an odd discipline in that repeatability is not the same as in the experimental sciences. A proof is a proof, and if it works, it works. The problem here is, well, can people follow through what they\u2019ve done? Each field is quite highly specialized, so there\u2019ll be individual mathematicians who are in those fields that go through the work. Those I spoke to that worked in some of the fields that were covered here say it all looks very legit.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">In math, there\u2019s a programming and computational proving language called Lean, where you can basically codify the mathematical proofs and run them through and it, well, proves it. I keep saying prove a lot here. But it will test the rigor and the assumptions of everything going on there, and they\u2019ve published that as well. So it does appear to hold. Whilst they may say that the press release has a lot of hype or there\u2019s a lot of hype around it, no one I\u2019ve spoken to seems to be doubting the essential breakthroughs that they\u2019re claiming here.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>I want to stay on this subject for one more second. There\u2019s the mathematical proof. We\u2019ve generated a proof, and that is, as you say, just repeatable in a way that math is just logic. You can just go through the steps and say, \u201cThis proof worked,\u201d and anybody listening to this who had to suffer through writing a proof in calculus in high school probably remembers that process. There\u2019s something there that\u2019s pure logic.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Then there\u2019s a part of it that is software code, as you\u2019re describing in Lean, where you can take the pure logic, you can express it in code, and you can run it to see if it works. I understand how AI is theoretically good at all of that. You\u2019re just going to run the reasoning, and the reasoning is going to generate some code. You\u2019re going to run the code, you\u2019re going to get some verifiability. We\u2019ve seen this play out in software engineering, where the code runs or not, it\u2019s verifiable or not, and the models can just reason out about it.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Then there\u2019s, to me, the big question that you alluded to. How many times do you have to run this? Can we verify that the models did this, and they weren\u2019t directed by human mathematicians who\u2019ve been hired at high rates by the labs in a way that suggests the field is going topsy-turvy?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>You have a quote here from James Maynard, who has won the Fields Medal, the highest prize in mathematics, who said he\u2019s been soul-searching. I keep looking at that quote. You\u2019ve got similar quotes from all these other mathematicians in the piece, and it seems like they\u2019re soul-searching against a thing that hilariously they cannot verify, which is, \u201cHow did the models do this, and is that thing scalable in a way that threatens mathematics?\u201d What do we know about how the models did this?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I\u2019d say as much as we normally do and do not know about this. There are a few issues there. One is the nature of the models. Well, this is an unreleased model, so good luck to anyone wanting to independently test it. The same goes with anything proprietary really. That said, I am inclined to almost give the benefit of the doubt that they\u2019re not lying in some capacity about the models they\u2019re using.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">As for the other part, it\u2019s perhaps more noteworthy to ask how did we prompt the model, or how is it being guided? Is that by a mathematician who knows what they\u2019re doing? That\u2019s probably a key factor here, according to a lot of mathematicians I\u2019ve spoken with who\u2019ve tried using these. This is often the consumer models, but still it peaks to a broader landscape.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">They say that if you know what you\u2019re doing and you can point things out, it\u2019s good. Or you can use it as a tool in a way that you want, and in a way that you wouldn\u2019t be able to if you didn\u2019t really know how to fact-check it. I\u2019ve had situations where I\u2019ve had ChatGPT doing a basic sum, and I say, \u201cThat number is not right.\u201d It responds, \u201cWait, so sorry. You\u2019re right, it\u2019s this,\u201d and it\u2019s still wrong. But that\u2019s still needed at this level as well.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">It does allude to a broader problem. As you said, this almost soul-searching of, \u201cWell, what if we can automate that away, and what if it gets to a point where we don\u2019t understand it?\u201d And that really cuts to a deeper question of, \u201cWell, what is mathematics? Why do we do it? Why do we value it as a field?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Everyone will have different answers to that. But a fear of a lot of people I spoke to was that this might move beyond a realm of human interest, and in which case, well, maybe we just won\u2019t engage with it. Or it\u2019ll be something that interested people will go through, and then the rest will continue as normal.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>You\u2019ve got a quote here from a researcher in Zurich named Johannes Schmitt who says, \u201cWe might be headed toward a situation where the math problems get \u2018mowed down\u2019 by AI, but we don\u2019t actually push the field forward because humans are taken out of the loop and they\u2019re not either checking, or they don\u2019t understand it, or they don\u2019t know what the future breakthroughs might be.\u201d How likely does that feel? Is that a big concern?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">There is an element of the mowing down of the problems. Especially those that are used as a training field for younger mathematicians coming up and cutting their teeth, so to speak. But I also think that this idea, that math is problem-solving, is very much an outsider\u2019s perspective of the mathematical endeavor.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">So a lot of the mathematicians I spoke to found that the ticking boxes part is the least interesting and valuable part of the field. The areas that are valuable for them aren\u2019t the, \u201cOh, you\u2019ve solved something, or you\u2019ve proven something.\u201d It\u2019s what happens from that.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I think it was James Maynard that said that the most interesting discoveries in the field aren\u2019t that you\u2019ve solved something, it\u2019s what evolves from that. Sometimes those solutions open entire new fields of research that no one ever thought were possible, or, \u201cOh, this is a new tool that you can apply everywhere in fun and exciting ways.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I think if we look at the popularization of math \u2014 even what I\u2019m thinking of as those theorems that people have posed \u2014 it\u2019s the questions that endure, not the solutions. It\u2019s always <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem\">Fermat\u2019s Last Theorem<\/a>, not like, \u201cWell, here\u2019s the solution to whatever the last guy proposed.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I think the concern here is that well, they\u2019re going to tick off all of these questions. Normally in the process of doing so, one would hope they would branch out into all of these new exciting areas or pose new questions. But AI won\u2019t do that, and that\u2019s the concern. And then that would leave the field quite sterile, and it will have all of these things that have been done, and maybe nothing left to pursue.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">The general consensus was, well, the jury\u2019s out. It\u2019s too early to tell. Even with human mathematicians, it takes a lot of time to realize the impact of these kinds of things. As I said, it\u2019s exploded in the last six months to a year, and math is not a fast-moving discipline at the best of times. But it\u2019s too early to tell really whether that will be a concern. But it is a concern, and a big one.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>You have another quote from Maynard here saying, \u201cIf the standard for a publishable paper in math is something that an AI cannot do, particularly when a PhD is typically four years, the challenge is you\u2019re not trying to come up with a problem that AI can\u2019t do now, it\u2019s an AI in four years\u2019 time.\u201d <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>So this is really related to the rate of improvement of the models, which as you say, particularly in math, seems to be increasing, but not at an even rate across all of the domains of mathematics.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>That appears to be what is causing the soul-searching. If you\u2019re a student and you start today, and you pick some obscure domain that maybe the AI isn\u2019t good at, sometime halfway through your PhD thesis or your PhD research, the AI will just solve it and you\u2019ll be done. That is a real problem for you. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Has the field reacted to that yet, or are they just still in the shock of, \u201cOh, the models can start to do things that we didn\u2019t think they were capable of\u201d?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Yeah, I think it\u2019s shock, really. I keep a little notebook to the side to just write down broad feelings whenever I do these interviews, and I\u2019ve written \u201cshell shock\u201d in it. It\u2019s far from universal, but it feels like it\u2019s happened so quickly that it has just taken a lot of people by surprise. Even if they knew in theory that, well, this is coming.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">They\u2019ve seen all these AI math startups going. They\u2019ve seen colleagues moving around to different labs or areas of work. But it just happened very, very quickly. So it\u2019s given them very little time to figure it out. It\u2019s not necessarily even the fields that it might be good at, it\u2019s more just like, \u201cWhat can it do?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">But I can\u2019t imagine if something like this had come out when I was studying and literally in the space of half a year, it just upended what was possible. And over the summer as well. So students are possibly coming back to a completely different discipline after a break.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>There\u2019s some skepticism here in the world. Gary Marcus is a reliable skeptic of AI, and he pointed out that over and over again, what you see is that AI accomplishes something in one domain and then it\u2019s used to generalize AI\u2019s ability across every domain. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>There\u2019s a <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/garymarcus.substack.com\/p\/openais-amazing-but-vastly-oversold\"><strong>good quote from Marcus here<\/strong><\/a><strong>: \u201cAs we learned a decade ago from AI\u2019s shambolic and ultimately failed attempt to turn Jeopardy-winning Watson into a cancer-fighting machine, success in one domain does not guarantee success in all.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>I can read this two ways. One, \u201cAI has solved math,\u201d which is not true as you\u2019ve pointed out in several ways, all the way down to how it\u2019s still bad at counting. And then there\u2019s, \u201cAI has solved math, and that means necessarily it\u2019s going to come for everything else.\u201d It will come for physics. It will come for law. It will come for whatever you want in the world. You can see if there\u2019s any verifiability, AI can solve it, because you can just run it in this way. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>I understand both sides of that argument, that obviously success in one domain does not guarantee success in every domain. And then the arc of AI is, well, it keeps collecting domains. If there is any verifiability, it is more likely to connect those domains than not. How do you see it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I\u2019m not entirely sure that the people that Marcus is criticizing here have actually said quite what he says they are saying. There\u2019s a lot to say about the hype. But yeah, success in one domain does not even equal success throughout that domain, let alone in other domains.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">That said, there has been an undeniable trajectory in the last few years of a broadening capability increase. I don\u2019t think you need to be on the whole AGI train to acknowledge that, and to acknowledge that that will have an impact.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I think it was Andras Juhasz, one of the professors at Oxford, that I quoted in the story. Something else he\u2019d said to me was that he\u2019s been toying around with ChatGPT a bit, and he\u2019s like, \u201cI don\u2019t think it has any geometric intuition whatsoever. Which might explain why there has been a very limited amount of progress in fields like topology.\u201d I am in no position to verify that claim in terms of the math of it, but I think it illustrates it quite well. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2026\/04\/15\/technology\/how-jagged-intelligence-can-reframe-the-ai-debate.html\">They call it the jagged edge<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">It felt like an easy argument for me: \u201cLet\u2019s criticize the whole \u2018the singularity is near.\u2019\u201d That\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/neuralnotions\/elon-musk-says-we-are-in-the-singularity-f2bc60da079c\">what Elon Musk said in response to Astra<\/a>, which is a lot. I also think it\u2019s perhaps the least generous interpretation of that argument you can take to argue against. If you take a more nuanced element that does acknowledge that there has been clear progress here, and quite quickly, and as you said, it is racking up domains, I feel there\u2019s a trajectory there that is a reasonable one to consider, rather than just dismiss out of hand.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>One of the bigger arguments about AI in general is that it democratizes access. I was not a great software developer in my days trying to write software code, and now I can vibe-code apps at will to do all kinds of dumb stuff in my house. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Is there a similar argument here where a bunch of people who have mathematical intuition, but did not have the formalized language or training of academic mathematics, can now access a model and push the field forward? Because that is usually the thing that undercuts the criticism from the professionals is, well, many, many more people now have access to this thing that only you had access to because of your money and your training.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Annoyingly, I am going to say it\u2019s a two-pronged thing again. But yes, in a broad sense, yes, it is. A lot of the mathematicians I spoke to were almost quite weary of this, actually. They love the idea, in theory, of democratizing access. They\u2019re also quite fed up with AI-generated or -assisted papers that are flooding every publication imaginable, as well as the pre-print servers that they use in these fields.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Some of those I spoke to said things like, \u201cOh, I got three emails this week alone with people being like, \u2018Hey, is this legit?\u2019\u201d Because they thought they\u2019d solved something with ChatGPT or with Claude, and they also don\u2019t have the mathematical skills to check whether they\u2019ve actually solved something.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">On the flip side, there are parts where they said, \u201cWell, we\u2019ve got a talented undergrad who\u2019s done something that a talented undergrad would probably have never managed, and here they are doing grad-level work and they\u2019ve produced a paper that is legit.\u201d And in the bigger scheme of things, a few I spoke to said, \u201cWell yeah, a lot of these are in the ivory tower. Having access to this kind of thing globally could really boost access to the kind of things here.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">On the flip side, the cost. These things cost a lot to run. It\u2019s always easy to forget when you use, say, a free version of ChatGPT or Claude or something. At the higher levels, these things cost money. They may not necessarily cost a lot of money \u2014 OpenAI claimed, I think it was $2,000 for these 10 results, but that doesn\u2019t factor in literally anything else once they\u2019ve got these, so it\u2019s a very generous number. But even taking that figure, math is quite a poor discipline, even at very well-off institutions.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Colva Roney-Dougal at St. Andrews, who I spoke to, said, \u201cWell, a lot of the time I don\u2019t bother getting a research grant. I don\u2019t need one. I just have a blackboard.\u201d And so if you\u2019re not even getting a research grant, $2,000 is a lot to put up. So it could lock out researchers that way, even at quite well-funded institutions. Not to mention the speed at which this is happening, that virtually no one would\u2019ve been able to bake any of this into a grant proposal yet, was another theme that I came across a lot.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Actually, Roney-Dougal has another great quote in your piece about the nature of the AI labs and how they are talking about math. She said, \u201cThey\u2019re treating our discipline as an advertising playground.\u201d A bunch of mathematicians have signed something called the <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/leidendeclaration.ai\/\"><strong>Leiden Declaration<\/strong><\/a><strong>, which is an open letter to then pledge not to buy into hype around AI. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>These things are running right at each other. The AI labs are not going to stop using every discipline as an advertising playground. And a bunch of mathematicians saying, \u201cWe refuse to buy the hype,\u201d certainly does not seem to be stopping the hype.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>There\u2019s just a piece of this that is organized professional resistance to a thing that is upending a field that has, as you say, been pretty cheap to operate, and now might be getting cheaper or easier to access or easier to upend, day by day. Do mathematicians feel that that is going to be effective? Historically, mathematicians are not savvy political operators. There\u2019s a part of me that says, \u201cOh, they\u2019re just going to get run over.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I don\u2019t know. In the history of math, actually, I think a lot of them were quite savvy. Isaac Newton is the one that always comes to mind for that \u2014 though quite a petty political operator as well. But yeah, that is the fear. A few that I spoke to, and one really comes to mind, mentioned that there\u2019s often this belief that math is the pinnacle of knowledge. But he was like, \u201cWell, that\u2019s bullshit.\u201d And he wasn\u2019t alone in illustrating that sentiment.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">But it is good for showcasing, and it\u2019s a lot neater as a discipline, and a lot cheaper. You mentioned Marcus referencing IBM\u2019s Watson and the curing cancer ambition. Well, that involves lots of messy experiments, including on people. You don\u2019t need that in math, so it\u2019s a really easy discipline to come in, throw your weight around, and then move to somewhere more lucrative if that\u2019s what you want.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I\u2019m not saying that that\u2019s what they\u2019re doing. A lot of the people at these companies have been hired. I don\u2019t doubt their credentials for sure, and I don\u2019t doubt their motivations as well. It does raise a question long-term as to how viable this is. Because let\u2019s be clear, as a field goes, I cannot imagine mathematicians being a very lucrative enterprise customer for these companies.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>The thing that might be lucrative is pushing a field forward to turn it into something economically viable. We push mathematics forward as a field, that turns into some engineering or physics breakthrough based on that mathematics, and that turns into, I don\u2019t know, yet another way to launch rockets. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Some circle happens there that I don\u2019t quite understand, but that is the history of innovation, from research, to engineering, to products or services that make money. Is that on the minds of any of these mathematicians, that pushing the boundaries here is upstream of something radically economically lucrative?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">The immediate counter that would come to mind here is that a lot are scared that it\u2019s closing off the field. So by definition, those breakthroughs that lead to something surprising and new that you can say, \u201cOh, this works here,\u201d may not be happening anymore. If anything, that lucrative endeavor of applying math to this entire new field that may have a lot of money in it remains an open question as to whether anything like that would be possible if we\u2019re closing off avenues, rather than opening them up.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Right, if the economic incentive of solving the unsolved problem is reduced because you personally won\u2019t get rich if a computer is just solving every unsolved problem, something very fundamental breaks there.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">A lot of it comes down to the fact that it\u2019s not just solving problems. With a lot of these things, as we said, it\u2019s about what solving that problem tells you elsewhere. If these were very lucrative problems to be solving, I imagine that more people would be trying to solve them than have left them for decades.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">This is the nature of a lot of pure science, and it\u2019s a broader criticism of what is going on perhaps with the Trump administration\u2019s approach to science policy at the moment, in that it\u2019s very applications-focused. There is something to doing pure research that can yield potentially very big dividends that is, by definition, utterly unpredictable as well.You cannot plan for it.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">The fear I think with math is that in solving all of these problems, and then also doing so without opening up new areas of research, what are you left with? Even if it\u2019s from a more lucrative, \u201cWhat are you going after,\u201d point of view, if you\u2019re not opening up new areas of research and you\u2019re just ticking off old ones, it just leaves a big question mark as to what might be left in its wake.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Even from those I spoke to that were very excited about what\u2019s happening, they said that even they don\u2019t really know what\u2019s happening. And they\u2019re excited from a personal level because, \u201cOh, we might be able to do this, might be to do that.\u201d But there was still this lingering uncertainty of like, well, where does this leave the field?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Especially for more pure disciplines like research mathematics, it\u2019s tougher to say what comes next. Because in a lot of the other sciences you can say, \u201cWell okay, well they\u2019d shift onto more engineering problems, or applying that.\u201d But if you solve all the problems at the ground and there\u2019s nothing being built up from that, where do you go from there?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>One great thing about <\/strong><strong><em>The Verge <\/em><\/strong><strong>is our commenters are vast, they\u2019re very knowledgeable, and there was a <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/ai-artificial-intelligence\/977273\/the-ai-takeover-of-mathematics-has-begun?commentID=e263ccd3-a129-4177-92ca-d7efc221e68b\"><strong>comment<\/strong><\/a><strong> from a mathematics researcher on your story that I just want to read to you, and see if you think this is the right framework. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>Here it is: \u201cI have no doubt these models will bring massive change in the field, but in their current state, they won\u2019t yet drive us to obsolescence. Just occupy a particularly useful spot in our bag of tricks. My apprehension comes from not knowing where these things will peak, but overall I remain optimistic. I think AI will be a net boon for math when used properly.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>I feel like \u201cAI will be a net boon for X when used properly\u201d is just where you land in life in a lot of things, but that\u2019s the most optimistic response that I\u2019ve heard: \u201cIf we get it right, it\u2019s going to be great.\u201d Is that the vibe, or is it still more shell-shocked than that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">I\u2019d say shell shock is still the overriding impression. I think perhaps the gut response to that is like, \u201cWell, it will be a net positive for whom, and what is \u2018properly\u2019?\u201d All of those are quite legitimate questions here.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">There were some bleak responses from graduate students I saw in essays posted online.Where\u2019s their place in this as future researchers? Do they have a place in this? Is it as glorified AI proof checkers? That will be quite an unsatisfying career, I imagine.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\">Or maybe not, I don\u2019t know. We will see. I think anything used properly will be a net boon. But yeah, I think it all comes down to what \u201cproperly\u201d means, and for whom we\u2019re talking about.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--article--article-body-component\">\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1044qizi _18mzr4b1 _18mzr4b0 _19wv7tc1\"><strong>I feel like, oddly, that is an excellent place to leave it. Because I don\u2019t think either one of us knows, and I suspect over the next year or so, things will come into focus. Because at some point, OpenAI will have to show people how they did the things of the models. 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AI?<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class>\n<div class=\"duet--content-cards--content-card up4voo0 _7uluu53\">\n<div class=\"up4voo7 up4voop up4vooa _1cnxcye3\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"What happens to Bose when headphones become AI?\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/DCD-Lila-Snyder.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0.027173913043484%2C0%2C99.945652173913%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"_1cnxcye1 _1cnxcye4\"><title>Play<\/title><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class>\n<div class=\"up4voo6\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div class><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"_19wv7tc9 _1d4s5vd7 _1d4s5vd0\"><a class=\"_7uluu50 _7uluu54 _7uluu55\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/podcast\/975732\/bose-ceo-lila-snyder-ai-wearables-licensing-headphones-audio\">What happens to Bose when headphones become AI?<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class>\n<div class=\"duet--content-cards--content-card up4voo0 _7uluu53\">\n<div class=\"up4voo7 up4voop up4vooa _1cnxcye3\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"What\u2019s behind the Google AI shake-up\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/VRG_VST080726_Site.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><\/div>\n<div class>\n<div class=\"up4voo6\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div class><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"_19wv7tc9 _1d4s5vd7 _1d4s5vd0\"><a class=\"_7uluu50 _7uluu54 _7uluu55\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/podcast\/976784\/google-deepmind-ai-race-vergecast\">What\u2019s behind the Google AI shake-up<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class>\n<div class=\"duet--content-cards--content-card up4voo0 _7uluu53\">\n<div class=\"up4voo7 up4voop up4vooa _1cnxcye3\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"The left and right agree on one thing: no data centers\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/07\/VRG_DCD_0730.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"_1cnxcye1 _1cnxcye4\"><title>Play<\/title><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class>\n<div class=\"up4voo6\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div class><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"_19wv7tc9 _1d4s5vd7 _1d4s5vd0\"><a class=\"_7uluu50 _7uluu54 _7uluu55\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/podcast\/971855\/ai-data-center-backlash-protests-florida-bipartisan\">The left and right agree on one thing: no data centers<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"_1hofmaw2\">\n<div class=\"duet--content-cards--content-card _1ismqj1 _1ismqj0 _7uluu53 _1ismqjj _1ismqj5\">\n<div class=\"_1ismqj7 _1ismqj6 _1ismqjc _1ismqjh _1cnxcye3\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"It\u2019s about ethics in journalism, with Ben Smith\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjf i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/DCD_BenSmith.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"It\u2019s about ethics in journalism, with Ben Smith\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjg i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/DCD_BenSmith.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"_1cnxcye1 _1cnxcye4\"><title>Play<\/title><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"_1ismqji\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div class><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"_19wv7tc9 _1d4s5vd3 _1d4s5vd0\"><a class=\"_7uluu50 _7uluu54\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/podcast\/980759\/ben-smith-semafor-ethics-journalism-ai-events-buzzfeed-media-news\">It\u2019s about ethics in journalism, with Ben Smith<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"jelpepd jelpep0\"><span><span class=\"_1g89o322 _19wv7tc5\"><span><span>Nilay Patel<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span class=\"duet--article--timestamp g4xafw2 g4xafw0 _19wv7tc5 _1044qizs\"><time datetime=\"2026-08-17T14:00:00+00:00\">Aug 17<\/time><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--content-cards--content-card _1ismqj1 _1ismqj0 _7uluu53 _1ismqj5\">\n<div class=\"_1ismqj7 _1ismqj6 _1ismqjc _1ismqjh _1cnxcye3\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Mark Zuckerberg has an Instagzam\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjf i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/VRGVSST_0814_SIte.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Mark Zuckerberg has an Instagzam\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjg i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/VRGVSST_0814_SIte.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"_1ismqji\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div class><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"_19wv7tc9 _1d4s5vd3 _1d4s5vd0\"><a class=\"_7uluu50 _7uluu54\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/podcast\/980367\/instagram-logo-new-zuckerberg-ai-vergecast\">Mark Zuckerberg has an Instagzam<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"jelpepd jelpep0\"><span><span class=\"_1g89o322 _19wv7tc5\"><span><span>David Pierce<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span class=\"duet--article--timestamp g4xafw2 g4xafw0 _19wv7tc5 _1044qizs\"><time datetime=\"2026-08-14T16:54:16+00:00\">Aug 14<\/time><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--content-cards--content-card _1ismqj1 _1ismqj0 _7uluu53 _1ismqj5\">\n<div class=\"_1ismqj7 _1ismqj6 _1ismqjc _1ismqjh _1cnxcye3\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Does Google even want to win at AI?\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjf i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/VRG_DCD_081226.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Does Google even want to win at AI?\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjg i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/VRG_DCD_081226.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"_1cnxcye1 _1cnxcye4\"><title>Play<\/title><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"_1ismqji\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div class><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"_19wv7tc9 _1d4s5vd3 _1d4s5vd0\"><a class=\"_7uluu50 _7uluu54\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/podcast\/979370\/google-deepmind-ai-race-lose-jeff-dean-demis-hassabis\">Does Google even want to win at AI?<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"jelpepd jelpep0\"><span><span class=\"_1g89o322 _19wv7tc5\"><span><span>Nilay Patel<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span class=\"duet--article--timestamp g4xafw2 g4xafw0 _19wv7tc5 _1044qizs\"><time datetime=\"2026-08-13T14:10:31+00:00\">Aug 13<\/time><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--content-cards--content-card _1ismqj1 _1ismqj0 _7uluu53 _1ismqj5\">\n<div class=\"_1ismqj7 _1ismqj6 _1ismqjc _1ismqjh _1cnxcye3\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"What happens to Bose when headphones become AI?\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjf i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/DCD-Lila-Snyder.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=16.684782608696%2C0%2C66.630434782609%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"What happens to Bose when headphones become AI?\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjg i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/DCD-Lila-Snyder.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0.027173913043484%2C0%2C99.945652173913%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"_1cnxcye1 _1cnxcye4\"><title>Play<\/title><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"_1ismqji\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div class><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"_19wv7tc9 _1d4s5vd3 _1d4s5vd0\"><a class=\"_7uluu50 _7uluu54\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/podcast\/975732\/bose-ceo-lila-snyder-ai-wearables-licensing-headphones-audio\">What happens to Bose when headphones become AI?<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"jelpepd jelpep0\"><span><span class=\"_1g89o322 _19wv7tc5\"><span><span>Nilay Patel<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span class=\"duet--article--timestamp g4xafw2 g4xafw0 _19wv7tc5 _1044qizs\"><time datetime=\"2026-08-10T14:00:00+00:00\">Aug 10<\/time><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--content-cards--content-card _1ismqj1 _1ismqj0 _7uluu53 _1ismqj5\">\n<div class=\"_1ismqj7 _1ismqj6 _1ismqjc _1ismqjh _1cnxcye3\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"What\u2019s behind the Google AI shake-up\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjf i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/VRG_VST080726_Site.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"What\u2019s behind the Google AI shake-up\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjg i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/08\/VRG_VST080726_Site.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"_1ismqji\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div class><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"_19wv7tc9 _1d4s5vd3 _1d4s5vd0\"><a class=\"_7uluu50 _7uluu54\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/podcast\/976784\/google-deepmind-ai-race-vergecast\">What\u2019s behind the Google AI shake-up<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"jelpepd jelpep0\"><span><span class=\"_1g89o322 _19wv7tc5\"><span><span>David Pierce<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span class=\"duet--article--timestamp g4xafw2 g4xafw0 _19wv7tc5 _1044qizs\"><time datetime=\"2026-08-07T16:45:14+00:00\">Aug 7<\/time><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"duet--content-cards--content-card _1ismqj1 _1ismqj0 _7uluu53 _1ismqjk _1ismqjl _1ismqj5\">\n<div class=\"_1ismqj7 _1ismqj6 _1ismqjc _1ismqjh _1cnxcye3\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"The left and right agree on one thing: no data centers\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjf i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/07\/VRG_DCD_0730.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"The left and right agree on one thing: no data centers\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"_1ismqjg i7ks070\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.theverge.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/07\/VRG_DCD_0730.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&amp;w=2400\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"_1cnxcye1 _1cnxcye4\"><title>Play<\/title><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"_1ismqji\">\n<div>\n<div>\n<div class><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"_19wv7tc9 _1d4s5vd3 _1d4s5vd0\"><a class=\"_7uluu50 _7uluu54\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/podcast\/971855\/ai-data-center-backlash-protests-florida-bipartisan\">The left and right agree on one thing: no data centers<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"jelpepd jelpep0\"><span><span class=\"_1g89o322 _19wv7tc5\"><span><span>Nilay Patel<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span class=\"duet--article--timestamp g4xafw2 g4xafw0 _19wv7tc5 _1044qizs\"><time datetime=\"2026-08-06T14:00:00+00:00\">Aug 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