{"id":2102722,"date":"2026-08-19T19:32:03","date_gmt":"2026-08-19T16:32:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=2102722"},"modified":"2026-08-19T19:32:03","modified_gmt":"2026-08-19T16:32:03","slug":"joe-rogan-discovers-turnstile-claims-us-rap-has-fallen-off-the-charts-because-of-defunding-international-aid","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=2102722","title":{"rendered":"Joe Rogan discovers Turnstile, claims US rap has \u201cfallen off the charts\u201d because of defunding international aid"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[analyse_image type=&#8221;featured&#8221; src=&#8221;https:\/\/www.nme.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/MichaelS_Schwartz_Josh_Brasted.jpg&#8221;]<\/p>\n<article id=\"template-id-2749694\" class=\"post-2749694 tdb_templates type-tdb_templates status-publish post\">\n<div id=\"tdi_65\" class=\"tdc-zone\">\n<div class=\"tdc_zone tdi_66  wpb_row td-pb-row\">\n<div id=\"tdi_67\" class=\"tdc-row stretch_row_1400 td-stretch-content\">\n<div class=\"vc_row tdi_68  wpb_row td-pb-row\">\n<div class=\"vc_column tdi_70  wpb_column vc_column_container tdc-column td-pb-span12\">\n<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_breadcrumbs tdi_71 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2 tdb-breadcrumbs \" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_71\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><span>News<\/span><span>Music News<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_title tdi_72 tdb-single-title td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_72\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<h1 class=\"tdb-title-text\">Joe Rogan discovers Turnstile, claims US rap has \u201cfallen off the charts\u201d because of defunding international aid<\/h1>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_subtitle tdi_73 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_73\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<p>Rogan suggested the dismantled USAID had funded &#8220;radical anti-government rappers&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_author tdi_75 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2 tdb-post-meta\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_75\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<div class=\"tdb-author-name-wrap\"><span class=\"tdb-author-by\">By<\/span> Max Pilley<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_date tdi_76 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2 tdb-post-meta\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_76\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><time class=\"entry-date updated td-module-date\" datetime=\"2026-08-19T20:32:03+01:00\">19th August 2026<\/time><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"tdi_77\" class=\"tdc-row stretch_row_1400 td-stretch-content\">\n<div class=\"vc_row tdi_78  wpb_row td-pb-row\">\n<div class=\"vc_column tdi_80  wpb_column vc_column_container tdc-column td-pb-span8\">\n<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_featured_image tdi_81 tdb-content-horiz-left td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_81\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"696\" height=\"442\" class=\"entry-thumb\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nme.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/MichaelS_Schwartz_Josh_Brasted-696x442.jpg\" alt title=\"MichaelS_Schwartz_Josh_Brasted\"><figcaption class=\"tdb-caption-text\">Joe Rogan and Turnstile&#8217;s Brendan Yates. CREDIT: Michael S. Schwartz\/Josh Brasted\/Getty Images<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"vc_row_inner tdi_83 article-content-row vc_row vc_inner wpb_row td-pb-row\">\n<div class=\"vc_column_inner tdi_85  wpb_column vc_column_container tdc-inner-column td-pb-span12\">\n<div class=\"vc_column-inner\">\n<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_content tdi_86 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2 td-post-content tagdiv-type\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_86\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<p>Joe Rogan has discovered\u00a0Turnstile, while claiming that US rap has \u201cfallen off the charts\u201d because of the defunding of international aid.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"\uf0b7\" data-font=\"Symbol\" data-listid=\"1338\" data-list-defn-props=\"{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559683&quot;:0,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;\uf0b7&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}\" data-aria-posinset=\"1\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><b>READ MORE:\u00a0<\/b><b>Turnstile embarked on an odyssey of their own to make new album \u2018Never Enough\u2019<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The conversations took place\u00a0on\u00a0a recent \u2018Protect Our Parks\u2019 edition of\u00a0<i>The Joe Rogan Experience<\/i>, which Rogan hosted alongside the comedians Shane Gillis, Mark\u00a0Normand\u00a0and Ari Shaffir.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad0 id_ad_content-horiz-center\"><span class=\"td-adspot-title\">Advertisement<\/span><\/div>\n<p>While discussing\u00a0PSY, Gillis noticed Shaffir \u2013 who was sporting a\u00a0Last Dinner Party\u00a0T-shirt \u2013\u00a0attempting\u00a0to bring Turnstile into the\u00a0conversation, and\u00a0declared that he was a fan of their \u201cold stuff\u201d, especially \u2018Generator\u2019 from the 2018 album \u2018Time &amp; Space\u2018.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, what is Turnstile at all?\u201d Rogan asked. \u201cExplain to me, please.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Normand explained that they are a \u201cyoung\u00a0hardcore\u00a0band\u201d, to which Rogan responded: \u201cOh nice, is it\u00a0cumcore?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>They then played the video for \u2018Seein\u2019 Stars \/ Birds\u2019, from last year\u2019s \u2018Never Enough\u2018, prompting Rogan to ask: \u201cWhat am I looking at? I\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0understand what\u00a0I\u2019m\u00a0seeing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The studio guests then began to celebrate the fact that \u201ckids are in bands again\u201d,\u00a0declaring that \u201cthe world is healing\u201d and \u201crock is back\u201d.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad1 id_ad_content-horiz-center\">\n<h5 class=\"taboola-mid-article-title\">Recommended<\/h5>\n<\/div>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Joe Rogan Experience #2539 - Protect Our Parks 17\" width=\"696\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/OBH4F5a6zAA?start=7660&amp;feature=oembed&amp;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<p>From there, they began to discuss the lack of rap music at the top of the US charts, with Rogan saying it was \u201cbecause USAID got defunded\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cUSAID, the Agency for International Development, is well known to have been funding a bunch of radical anti-government rappers overseas,\u201d he said. \u201cFunding a ton of them. It was\u00a0basically all\u00a0about regime change. That was a big part of what USAID was about.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He went on to say that he read about it \u201conline\u201d, including from Mike Benz, a former guest on the podcast who is also a speechwriter for the Trump administration.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad2 id_ad_content-horiz-center\"><span class=\"td-adspot-title\">Advertisement<\/span><\/div>\n<p>There is no evidence that the defunding of USAID has\u00a0impacted\u00a0the commercial success of rap music in the US.<\/p>\n<p>An\u00a0<i>Associated Press<\/i>\u00a0investigation found that a US government contractor\u00a0attempted\u00a0to recruit the Cuban rapper Aldo Rodriguez in 2009, with the aim of encouraging an anti-government movement, but there are no other reports of such interference.<\/p>\n<p>USAID\u2019s responsibilities were transferred to the State Department in July 2025 after the Elon Musk-fronted Department of Government Efficiency led a swathe of governmental department cuts.<\/p>\n<p>Rogan clashed with Bono on his podcast over the humanitarian impact of the USAID cuts last year, with the\u00a0U2\u00a0frontman\u00a0citing that\u00a0300,000 people\u00a0could die\u00a0as a result of\u00a0the withdrawal of aid.<\/p>\n<p>Neil Young\u00a0and Joni Mitchell were among the\u00a0musicians who withdrew their work from Spotify in 2022\u00a0in protest at the COVID-19 misinformation spread on Rogan\u2019s podcast.<\/p>\n<p>As for Turnstile,\u00a0they will play a headline show in Halifax on August 26, before\u00a0supporting Tyler, The Creator at All Points\u00a0East\u00a0two days later. They have also been\u00a0announced for Camp Flog Gnaw 2026, which takes place in Los Angeles in November.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_tags tdi_87 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_87\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<ul class=\"tdb-tags\">\n<li><span>Related Topics<\/span><\/li>\n<li>Hardcore<\/li>\n<li>Rap<\/li>\n<li>Turnstile<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"wpb_wrapper td_block_wrap vc_raw_html tdi_89 \">\n<div class=\"td-fix-index\">\n<h3>You May Also Like<\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"vc_column tdi_91  wpb_column vc_column_container tdc-column td-pb-span4 td-is-sticky\">\n<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"td-a-rec td-a-rec-id-sidebar  tdi_92 td_block_template_2\"><span class=\"td-adspot-title\">Advertisement<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap td_flex_block_1 tdi_93 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2 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class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<p>Joe Rogan has discovered\u00a0Turnstile, while claiming that US rap has \u201cfallen off the charts\u201d because of the defunding of international aid.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"\uf0b7\" data-font=\"Symbol\" data-listid=\"1338\" data-list-defn-props=\"{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559683&quot;:0,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;\uf0b7&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}\" data-aria-posinset=\"1\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><b>READ MORE:\u00a0<\/b><b>Turnstile embarked on an odyssey of their own to make new album \u2018Never Enough\u2019<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The conversations took place\u00a0on\u00a0a recent \u2018Protect Our Parks\u2019 edition of\u00a0<i>The Joe Rogan Experience<\/i>, which Rogan hosted alongside the comedians Shane Gillis, Mark\u00a0Normand\u00a0and Ari Shaffir.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad0 id_ad_content-horiz-center\"><span class=\"td-adspot-title\">Advertisement<\/span><\/div>\n<p>While discussing\u00a0PSY, Gillis noticed Shaffir \u2013 who was sporting a\u00a0Last Dinner Party\u00a0T-shirt \u2013\u00a0attempting\u00a0to bring Turnstile into the\u00a0conversation, and\u00a0declared that he was a fan of their \u201cold stuff\u201d, especially \u2018Generator\u2019 from the 2018 album \u2018Time &amp; Space\u2018.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, what is Turnstile at all?\u201d Rogan asked. \u201cExplain to me, please.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Normand explained that they are a \u201cyoung\u00a0hardcore\u00a0band\u201d, to which Rogan responded: \u201cOh nice, is it\u00a0cumcore?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>They then played the video for \u2018Seein\u2019 Stars \/ Birds\u2019, from last year\u2019s \u2018Never Enough\u2018, prompting Rogan to ask: \u201cWhat am I looking at? I\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0understand what\u00a0I\u2019m\u00a0seeing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The studio guests then began to celebrate the fact that \u201ckids are in bands again\u201d,\u00a0declaring that \u201cthe world is healing\u201d and \u201crock is back\u201d.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad1 id_ad_content-horiz-center\">\n<h5 class=\"taboola-mid-article-title\">Recommended<\/h5>\n<\/div>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Joe Rogan Experience #2539 - Protect Our Parks 17\" width=\"696\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/OBH4F5a6zAA?start=7660&amp;feature=oembed&amp;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<p>From there, they began to discuss the lack of rap music at the top of the US charts, with Rogan saying it was \u201cbecause USAID got defunded\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cUSAID, the Agency for International Development, is well known to have been funding a bunch of radical anti-government rappers overseas,\u201d he said. \u201cFunding a ton of them. It was\u00a0basically all\u00a0about regime change. That was a big part of what USAID was about.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He went on to say that he read about it \u201conline\u201d, including from Mike Benz, a former guest on the podcast who is also a speechwriter for the Trump administration.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad2 id_ad_content-horiz-center\"><span class=\"td-adspot-title\">Advertisement<\/span><\/div>\n<p>There is no evidence that the defunding of USAID has\u00a0impacted\u00a0the commercial success of rap music in the US.<\/p>\n<p>An\u00a0<i>Associated Press<\/i>\u00a0investigation found that a US government contractor\u00a0attempted\u00a0to recruit the Cuban rapper Aldo Rodriguez in 2009, with the aim of encouraging an anti-government movement, but there are no other reports of such interference.<\/p>\n<p>USAID\u2019s responsibilities were transferred to the State Department in July 2025 after the Elon Musk-fronted Department of Government Efficiency led a swathe of governmental department cuts.<\/p>\n<p>Rogan clashed with Bono on his podcast over the humanitarian impact of the USAID cuts last year, with the\u00a0U2\u00a0frontman\u00a0citing that\u00a0300,000 people\u00a0could die\u00a0as a result of\u00a0the withdrawal of aid.<\/p>\n<p>Neil Young\u00a0and Joni Mitchell were among the\u00a0musicians who withdrew their work from Spotify in 2022\u00a0in protest at the COVID-19 misinformation spread on Rogan\u2019s podcast.<\/p>\n<p>As for Turnstile,\u00a0they will play a headline show in Halifax on August 26, before\u00a0supporting Tyler, The Creator at All Points\u00a0East\u00a0two days later. They have also been\u00a0announced for Camp Flog Gnaw 2026, which takes place in Los Angeles in November.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>[analyse_source url=&#8221;https:\/\/www.nme.com\/news\/music\/joe-rogan-discovers-turnstile-claims-us-rap-has-fallen-off-the-charts-because-of-defunding-international-aid-3963732&#8243;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[analyse_image type=&#8221;featured&#8221; src=&#8221;https:\/\/www.nme.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/MichaelS_Schwartz_Josh_Brasted.jpg&#8221;] NewsMusic News Joe Rogan discovers Turnstile, claims US rap has \u201cfallen off the charts\u201d because of defunding international aid Rogan suggested the dismantled USAID had funded &#8220;radical anti-government rappers&#8221; By Max Pilley 19th August 2026 Joe Rogan and Turnstile&#8217;s Brendan Yates. CREDIT: Michael S. 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