{"id":2059280,"date":"2026-07-23T09:56:28","date_gmt":"2026-07-23T06:56:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=2059280"},"modified":"2026-07-23T09:56:28","modified_gmt":"2026-07-23T06:56:28","slug":"the-nationals-aaron-dessner-speaks-out-on-if-gracie-abrams-death-wish-is-about-taylor-swift","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=2059280","title":{"rendered":"The National\u2019s Aaron Dessner speaks out on if Gracie Abrams\u2019 \u2018Death Wish\u2019 is about Taylor Swift"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[analyse_image type=&#8221;featured&#8221; src=&#8221;https:\/\/www.nme.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/Aaron-Dessner-Gracie-Abrams-2026.jpg&#8221;]<\/p>\n<article id=\"template-id-2749694\" class=\"post-2749694 tdb_templates type-tdb_templates status-publish post\">\n<div id=\"tdi_65\" class=\"tdc-zone\">\n<div class=\"tdc_zone tdi_66  wpb_row td-pb-row\">\n<div id=\"tdi_67\" class=\"tdc-row stretch_row_1400 td-stretch-content\">\n<div class=\"vc_row tdi_68  wpb_row td-pb-row\">\n<div class=\"vc_column tdi_70  wpb_column vc_column_container tdc-column td-pb-span12\">\n<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_breadcrumbs tdi_71 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2 tdb-breadcrumbs \" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_71\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><span>News<\/span><span>Music News<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_title tdi_72 tdb-single-title td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_72\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<h1 class=\"tdb-title-text\">The National\u2019s Aaron Dessner speaks out on if Gracie Abrams\u2019 \u2018Death Wish\u2019 is about Taylor Swift<\/h1>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_subtitle tdi_73 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_73\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<p>Dessner has produced a number of albums from Swift and Abrams, including the latter&#8217;s most recently released &#8216;Daughter From Hell&#8217;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_author tdi_75 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2 tdb-post-meta\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_75\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<div class=\"tdb-author-name-wrap\"><span class=\"tdb-author-by\">By<\/span> Alex Rigotti<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_date tdi_76 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2 tdb-post-meta\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_76\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><time class=\"entry-date updated td-module-date\" datetime=\"2026-07-23T10:56:28+01:00\">23rd July 2026<\/time><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"tdi_77\" class=\"tdc-row stretch_row_1400 td-stretch-content\">\n<div class=\"vc_row tdi_78  wpb_row td-pb-row\">\n<div class=\"vc_column tdi_80  wpb_column vc_column_container tdc-column td-pb-span8\">\n<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_featured_image tdi_81 tdb-content-horiz-left td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_81\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"696\" height=\"442\" class=\"entry-thumb\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nme.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/Aaron-Dessner-Gracie-Abrams-2026-696x442.jpg\" alt title=\"Aaron Dessner Gracie Abrams 2026\"><figcaption class=\"tdb-caption-text\">Aaron Dessner and Gracie Abrams (L), Taylor Swift (R) (Credit: Sarah Morris\/Getty Images for The Recording Academy; Jamie McCarthy\/Getty Images)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"vc_row_inner tdi_83 article-content-row vc_row vc_inner wpb_row td-pb-row\">\n<div class=\"vc_column_inner tdi_85  wpb_column vc_column_container tdc-inner-column td-pb-span12\">\n<div class=\"vc_column-inner\">\n<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"td_block_wrap tdb_single_content tdi_86 td-pb-border-top td_block_template_2 td-post-content tagdiv-type\" data-td-block-uid=\"tdi_86\">\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<p>The National\u2018s Aaron Dessner has spoken out on whether Gracie Abrams\u2019 \u2018Death Wish\u2019 is about Taylor Swift.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>READ MORE: Gracie Abrams \u2013 \u2018Daughter From Hell\u2019 review: a dramatic reckoning with her younger self<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The popstar released her latest album \u2018Daughter From Hell\u2018 on July 17 \u2013 and one track in particular has fans speculating that Taylor Swift might be its subject.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad0 id_ad_content-horiz-center\"><span class=\"td-adspot-title\">Advertisement<\/span><\/div>\n<p>\u2018Death Wish\u2019, the album\u2019s second track, contains biting lyrics such as \u201c<em>You\u2019re everything I\u2019ll never be, you live to look for enemies\u201d<\/em> and \u201c<em>I ruined your plans of some grand self-promotion<\/em>\u201c. Some fans have interpreted these words to be about Taylor Swift, for whom Abrams was a support act for the \u2018Eras\u2019 tour.<\/p>\n<p>However, \u2018Daughter From Hell\u2019 producer Aaron Dessner has denied such allegations. Along with his work in The National, Dessner has collaborated with Abrams for six years, and has also produced several Swift albums including 2020\u2019s \u2018folklore\u2019 and \u2018evermore\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>He told <em>Billboard<\/em> that \u2018Death Wish\u2019 was \u201cdefinitely not\u201d about the \u2018Opalite\u2019 singer.\u00a0\u201cIt was written at a time when [Gracie] was writing about a friend\u2019s ex, being in a bad relationship,\u201d he told the outlet. \u201cSo it was kind of about that person, I think. I wouldn\u2019t even actually know who that person was\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>This explanation is backed up by Abrams herself, who told fans of the song\u2019s origins during its live debut at her London O2 Arena stop in March 2025. \u201cThis song is about a friend of mine who recently was dating, like, a mega narcissist,\u201d she told the crowd at the time. \u201cA sincere friend of mine was recently dating someone who kind of <em>sucked<\/em>. And I was listening to them talk about it a lot, and so this song is about that!\u201d<\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Gracie Abrams on her songwriting process, working with Aaron Dessner &amp; new music\" width=\"696\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/-eaIf4VJOI8?feature=oembed&amp;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad1 id_ad_content-horiz-center\">\n<h5 class=\"taboola-mid-article-title\">Recommended<\/h5>\n<\/div>\n<p>Abrams has been friends with Swift for a number of years, once claiming that no man has \u201ccome close to defining pop culture\u201d like Taylor Swift has.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere\u2019s also nothing that comes close to what she has done,\u201d she told <em>Cosmopolitan<\/em> for her cover story. \u201cPeople will still gaslight her and her capabilities and all this shit. But please point me to one man who has come close to defining pop culture in this way. There is nothing! But people are not ready for that conversation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>She has also performed a live cover of Swift\u2019s \u2018All Too Well (10 Minute Version)\u2019 during her headline show at the Kia Forum last August. On the final \u2018Eras\u2019 leg in Vancouver, Abrams and Swift delivered a mash-up of Abrams\u2019 \u2018I Love You, I\u2019m Sorry\u2019 and Swift\u2019s \u2018Last Kiss\u2019 on stage together.<\/p>\n<p>Abrams also attended the singer\u2019s wedding to footballer Travis Kelce on July 3.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad2 id_ad_content-horiz-center\"><span class=\"td-adspot-title\">Advertisement<\/span><\/div>\n<p>Elsewhere, we reviewed \u2018Daughter From Hell\u2019 when it dropped last week, giving it three stars. \u201c\u2018Daughter From Hell\u2019 is meant to be a reflection, so it\u2019s fitting that the title track serves as an apology to Abrams\u2019 parents for terrorising them as a teenage tearaway,\u201d we wrote. \u201cIt\u2019s a shame that it ends up feeling plodding and dirgey, the slow, distorted guitar making it feel more torturous than enlightened.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPerhaps that in itself is a reflection \u2013 that, at 26, Abrams still, as we all do, has more 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class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<p>The National\u2018s Aaron Dessner has spoken out on whether Gracie Abrams\u2019 \u2018Death Wish\u2019 is about Taylor Swift.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>READ MORE: Gracie Abrams \u2013 \u2018Daughter From Hell\u2019 review: a dramatic reckoning with her younger self<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The popstar released her latest album \u2018Daughter From Hell\u2018 on July 17 \u2013 and one track in particular has fans speculating that Taylor Swift might be its subject.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad0 id_ad_content-horiz-center\"><span class=\"td-adspot-title\">Advertisement<\/span><\/div>\n<p>\u2018Death Wish\u2019, the album\u2019s second track, contains biting lyrics such as \u201c<em>You\u2019re everything I\u2019ll never be, you live to look for enemies\u201d<\/em> and \u201c<em>I ruined your plans of some grand self-promotion<\/em>\u201c. Some fans have interpreted these words to be about Taylor Swift, for whom Abrams was a support act for the \u2018Eras\u2019 tour.<\/p>\n<p>However, \u2018Daughter From Hell\u2019 producer Aaron Dessner has denied such allegations. Along with his work in The National, Dessner has collaborated with Abrams for six years, and has also produced several Swift albums including 2020\u2019s \u2018folklore\u2019 and \u2018evermore\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>He told <em>Billboard<\/em> that \u2018Death Wish\u2019 was \u201cdefinitely not\u201d about the \u2018Opalite\u2019 singer.\u00a0\u201cIt was written at a time when [Gracie] was writing about a friend\u2019s ex, being in a bad relationship,\u201d he told the outlet. \u201cSo it was kind of about that person, I think. I wouldn\u2019t even actually know who that person was\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>This explanation is backed up by Abrams herself, who told fans of the song\u2019s origins during its live debut at her London O2 Arena stop in March 2025. \u201cThis song is about a friend of mine who recently was dating, like, a mega narcissist,\u201d she told the crowd at the time. \u201cA sincere friend of mine was recently dating someone who kind of <em>sucked<\/em>. And I was listening to them talk about it a lot, and so this song is about that!\u201d<\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Gracie Abrams on her songwriting process, working with Aaron Dessner &amp; new music\" width=\"696\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/-eaIf4VJOI8?feature=oembed&amp;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad1 id_ad_content-horiz-center\">\n<h5 class=\"taboola-mid-article-title\">Recommended<\/h5>\n<\/div>\n<p>Abrams has been friends with Swift for a number of years, once claiming that no man has \u201ccome close to defining pop culture\u201d like Taylor Swift has.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere\u2019s also nothing that comes close to what she has done,\u201d she told <em>Cosmopolitan<\/em> for her cover story. \u201cPeople will still gaslight her and her capabilities and all this shit. But please point me to one man who has come close to defining pop culture in this way. There is nothing! But people are not ready for that conversation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>She has also performed a live cover of Swift\u2019s \u2018All Too Well (10 Minute Version)\u2019 during her headline show at the Kia Forum last August. On the final \u2018Eras\u2019 leg in Vancouver, Abrams and Swift delivered a mash-up of Abrams\u2019 \u2018I Love You, I\u2019m Sorry\u2019 and Swift\u2019s \u2018Last Kiss\u2019 on stage together.<\/p>\n<p>Abrams also attended the singer\u2019s wedding to footballer Travis Kelce on July 3.<\/p>\n<div class=\"td-a-ad id_inline_ad2 id_ad_content-horiz-center\"><span class=\"td-adspot-title\">Advertisement<\/span><\/div>\n<p>Elsewhere, we reviewed \u2018Daughter From Hell\u2019 when it dropped last week, giving it three stars. \u201c\u2018Daughter From Hell\u2019 is meant to be a reflection, so it\u2019s fitting that the title track serves as an apology to Abrams\u2019 parents for terrorising them as a teenage tearaway,\u201d we wrote. \u201cIt\u2019s a shame that it ends up feeling plodding and dirgey, the slow, distorted guitar making it feel more torturous than enlightened.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPerhaps that in itself is a reflection \u2013 that, at 26, Abrams still, as we all do, has more growing to do.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>[analyse_source url=&#8221;https:\/\/www.nme.com\/news\/music\/the-nationals-aaron-dessner-speaks-out-on-if-gracie-abrams-death-wish-is-about-taylor-swift-3958555&#8243;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[analyse_image type=&#8221;featured&#8221; src=&#8221;https:\/\/www.nme.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/Aaron-Dessner-Gracie-Abrams-2026.jpg&#8221;] NewsMusic News The National\u2019s Aaron Dessner speaks out on if Gracie Abrams\u2019 \u2018Death Wish\u2019 is about Taylor Swift Dessner has produced a number of albums from Swift and Abrams, including the latter&#8217;s most recently released &#8216;Daughter From Hell&#8217; By Alex Rigotti 23rd July 2026 Aaron Dessner and Gracie Abrams (L), Taylor Swift [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[226,78],"class_list":["post-2059280","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics","tag-crawlmanager","tag-nme-com"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2059280","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2059280"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2059280\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2059280"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2059280"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2059280"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}