{"id":1872407,"date":"2026-04-08T16:52:14","date_gmt":"2026-04-08T13:52:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=1872407"},"modified":"2026-04-08T16:52:14","modified_gmt":"2026-04-08T13:52:14","slug":"the-reality-is-avatar-3-did-ok-but-as-a-cultural-force-its-exhausted-james-cameron-reportedly-discussing-ways-to-make-avatar-4-and-5-cheaper-and-shorter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/analyse.optim.biz\/?p=1872407","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;The Reality Is Avatar 3 Did OK but as a Cultural Force, It&#8217;s Exhausted&#8217; \u2014 James Cameron Reportedly Discussing Ways to Make Avatar 4 and 5 Cheaper and Shorter"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-cy=\"article-content\" class=\"jsx-2870106660 article-content page-0\">\n<section data-cy=\"article-subtitle\" class=\"article jsx-3932497636 article-section jsx-28683165 news\" data-autopogo=\"true\">\n<section class=\"article-page\">\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">After making $1.5 billion at the global box office, you\u2019d imagine Avatar: Fire and Ash\u2019s commercial performance would guarantee Avatar 4 and 5. But according to a new report, Disney is weighing up the franchise\u2019s future, and may even cancel plans for an Avatar expansion at a theme park.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">James Cameron\u2019s special effects-heavy Avatar films cost a huge amount of money to produce, but they have historically made billions of dollars at the box office. 2009&#8217;s Avatar 1 remains the highest-grossing movie of all time (not adjusted for inflation), and has earned a staggering $2.9 billion across several theatrical runs. 2022&#8217;s <a class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ign.com\/movies\/avatar-the-way-of-water\"><u>Avatar: The Way of Water<\/u><\/a> has earned $2.3 billion, meanwhile, cementing its place as the third-highest grossing film of all time.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\"><a class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ign.com\/movies\/avatar-fire-and-ash\">Avatar: Fire and Ash<\/a>, however, made $1.5 billion during its theatrical run (according to <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/film\/box-office\/box-office-avatar-fire-and-ash-global-start-1236613854\/\" class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Variety<\/a>, Disney spent $350 million to produce Avatar: Fire and Ash and roughly $150 million to promote it). While $1.5 billion is a huge amount for any movie to make, it\u2019s some way behind its predecessors. So, has Fire and Ash done well enough to convince Disney to greenlight Avatar 4 and 5? Disney has given both sequels release dates already: Avatar 4 currently has a December 21, 2029 release date, with Avatar 5 due out December 19, 2031. Cameron, now 71, would be close to 80 years old by the time it all wraps up.<\/p>\n<div class=\"jsx-2021719738 video jsx-2008855984 aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9\">\n<div class=\"badge jsx-1349606671 jsx-3647116352\"><span class=\"ign-icon icon-play jsx-2750866048 jsx-1044454891\" role=\"img\" aria-hidden=\"false\" data-cy=\"icon-play\" aria-label=\"Play\" style=\"background:currentColor\"><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thewrap.com\/creative-content\/movies\/avatar-fire-and-ash-whats-next-for-the-franchise\/\" class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">TheWrap<\/a> reported that there are ongoing talks on how to make Avatar 4 and 5 cheaper and shorter than their predecessors so they are a less risky investment for Disney. But, according to the report, Disney has yet to make a call.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">\u201cIt\u2019s all about compare-and-contrast \u2014 Fire and Ash made half of what the first movie made.\u201d Paul Dergarabedian, head of marketplace trends at Comscore, told TheWrap. \u201cAnd ticket prices in 2009 were not what they are in 2025. That\u2019s the level that James Cameron and the Avatar films are operating in. When an $89 million domestic opening weekend and almost $1.5 billion worldwide would be seen \u2014 in any stretch \u2014 as a disappointment. That\u2019s why there\u2019s that perception. These are high-class problems to have.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">TheWrap also cast doubt over an Avatar-themed land at Disney California Adventure, which was set to be built this year. Retired Disney Imagineer Jim Shull, who spent over 32 years leading the creative design of rides and attractions at Disney Parks worldwide, commented: \u201cThe reality is that Avatar 3 did OK but as a cultural force, it\u2019s exhausted. Nobody is demanding to see more. They like what they have and if they really like it, they can go to Florida and see it.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">\u201cCalifornia does not have a lot of land. If Avatar had been a huge success and people were demanding 4 and 5 and beyond, that would change the equation. But there\u2019s not a lot of demand.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><button type=\"button\" class=\"jsx-2228525885\"><\/button><span data-cy=\"slideshow-view-trigger\"><\/p>\n<div data-cy=\"slideshow-preview\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 slideshow-preview\">\n<h3 class=\"title5 jsx-62124236 jsx-1085005187\" data-cy=\"slideshow-preview-title\">Every James Cameron Movie Ranked<\/h3>\n<div data-cy=\"slideshow-images-container\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 images-container\"><button type=\"button\" data-cy=\"hero-image\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 hero-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"We've ranked all nine of James Cameron's films from worst to best. Click through to see whether Terminator, Avatar or Aliens is crowned king of the hill.\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><span class=\"button-text jsx-729543028 button button--primary jsx-3381835873 jsx-4266531355 row-pagination-button next contained centered round large\" data-cy=\"paginate next\" title=\"Open Slideshow\"><span class=\"ign-icon right-chevron jsx-2750866048 jsx-2919720488\" role=\"presentation\" aria-hidden=\"true\" data-cy=\"right-chevron\" style=\"background:currentColor\"><\/span><\/span><\/button><\/p>\n<div data-cy=\"slideshow-images-list\" class=\"scrollbar jsx-2072772685 jsx-4243969252 images-list\"><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;9. Piranha II: The Spawning&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nWe doubt many cinephiles would argue against placing Piranha II at the bottom of Cameron\u2019s oeuvre. Even Cameron would surely support that choice, as he seems as eager as anyone to forget this low-budget horror sequel even exists.\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nPiranha II attempts to up the ante on the original by introducing flying variations of the man-eating fish. Suffice it to say, that did nothing to help the movie rise above the sea of Jaws wannabes of the late \u201870s. It certainly didn\u2019t help that the rookie Cameron (who got the job after working under B-movie legend Roger Corman) feuded constantly with executive producer Ovidio G. Assonitis and struggled to communicate with a crew of mostly Italian speakers. In fact, there\u2019s some conjecture as to how much of the film was actually directed by Cameron and how much was the handiwork of Assonitis himself.\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nIt\u2019s not the most auspicious start to a directing career, but Piranha II does have a couple of things going for it, at least. The prosthetics work helped pave the way for some of the creature effects in 1986\u2019s Aliens. Not to mention that Piranha II kicked off a long and fruitful partnership between Cameron and actor Lance Henriksen.\n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"rounded jsx-412047461 overlay progressive-image jsx-2338608387 expand\" data-cy=\"slideshow-image-overlay\">\n<div data-cy=\"element-caption\" class=\"caption jsx-1762799490\">View 10 Images<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><\/button><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;8. Avatar&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nIn a world of nonstop Marvel movies and Star Wars spinoffs, Avatar remains the highest-grossing film in history. Clearly, Cameron knows how to put butts in seats without the need for a preexisting franchise.\nIt\u2019s really not hard to see why Avatar struck such a deep chord with moviegoers in 2009. The film introduced the beautifully alien world of Pandora, a place where all creatures coexist in grand ecological harmony, and a world threatened by mankind\u2019s insatiable hunger for resources. Watching Avatar is like taking a guided tour through the most visually stunning safari in the universe.\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nUnfortunately, Avatar suffers quite a bit from its cast of mostly bland, forgettable characters and a story best summed up as \u201cDances With Wolves meets Fern Gully.\u201d But simplistic though it is, Avatar is a visually stunning film that remains about the only compelling case for owning a 3D television set.  \n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/button><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;7. The Abyss&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nHuman beings are fascinated by the ocean. The ocean is as intriguing as it is terrifying. This dichotomy forms the basis for The Abyss, Cameron's 1989 sci-fi movie that is home to a great premise whose execution is a bit hit or miss. In The Abyss, an American submarine sinks after colliding with an unidentified object. With the Soviets fast approaching and a hurricane about to rain on the Navy's rescue efforts, a small team of SEALs are dispatched to help a group of scientists recover the missing sub. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; \nThe Abyss works best in the way that it creates three-dimensional characters out of underwater roughnecks, and we feel something for each one of them - especially Ed Harris' Bud and Mary Elizabeth Masterantonio's Lindsey. Viewers feel the psychological torment of being trapped in a small space with endless gallons of water surrounding on all sides. They also experience the wonder of discovery as the characters encounter an unexpected alien presence on the ocean floor. As with many Cameron movies, the musical score itself does a great job of sucking viewers in and adding to the mood.   \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nAnd the movie marks the first time CGI was used to create a photo-real character for film. The Pseudopod tentacle led to the creation of Terminator 2's liquid metal villain. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nThe Abyss might have been a long, sometimes plodding movie, even before the eventual director's cut, but it remains a quality genre picture with more going on than your average movie about alien visitors and those they visit.  \n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/button><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;6. Avatar: The Way of Water&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nAvatar: The Way of Water is the first in what\u2019s shaping up to be a long line of sequels to Cameron\u2019s 2009 smash hit. This sequel opens up the world of Pandora in a very literal way, as Jake Sully and family meet a tribe of water-dwelling Na\u2019vi and renew their fight against a greedy, bloodthirsty human military. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nThe Way of Water doesn\u2019t necessarily fix any of the problems inherent to the original. This is still a very straightforward blockbuster marked by a cast of underdeveloped heroes and villains. It\u2019s also about an hour longer than the plot really demands. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nBut even more than with the first movie, Avatar 2 thrives on the strength of its world and the stunning creatures and environments it conjures up. This is one of the most expensive movies ever made, and every cent of that massive budget is apparent on-screen. The Way of Water is a sumptuous visual feast that has enough heart to make up for its storytelling shortcomings.\n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/button><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;5. Titanic&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nTitanic is concrete proof that it never pays to doubt James Cameron. What many feared would turn out to be a massively expensive folly instead became a box office juggernaut that tied Ben-Hur for the most Academy Awards won by a single film. Cameron wasn\u2019t exaggerating during his infamous Oscars speech. He really was king of the world back in 1998.\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nTitanic deftly shows off Cameron\u2019s knack for combining sweeping epics with intimate human drama. The film hooks audiences early on thanks to its loving recreation of the infamously doomed sea liner and the Romeo and Juliet-esque romance between Leonardo DiCaprio\u2019s Jack and Kate Winslet\u2019s Rose. Then comes the gutwrenching third act, as we see the magnificent vessel come apart at the seams and the desperate scramble for survival unfolds. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nIt\u2019s impossible to watch Titanic and not come out the other side feeling emotionally drained. Yet that hardly stopped moviegoers from returning to the theater again and again.    \n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/button><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">The report tallies with <a class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ign.com\/articles\/james-cameron-says-he-must-find-a-cheaper-way-to-produce-the-avatar-movies-in-order-to-continue-with-avatar-4-and-5\">recent comments from Cameron himself<\/a>, who said Avatar 3 would need to make a lot of money, and he\u2019d need to figure out a way to make Avatar 4 and 5 for less money in order to get the thumbs up from Disney. \u201cHere\u2019s the thing: the movie industry is depressed right now,&#8221; he explained. Avatar 3 cost a lot of money. We have to do well in order to continue. We have to do well and we need to figure out how to make Avatar movies more inexpensively in order to continue,\u201d he said. \u201cIf we continue and we do 4, we also do 4 and 5 together. So we made 2 and 3 together, one big story. And then 4 and 5 is another big story.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">Cameron\u2019s comments here echoed those he made in the run up to Fire and Ash\u2019s release, when he admitted he was feeling nervous about the film\u2019s box office performance and expressed concern about the \u201cforces\u201d working against theatrical releases. Speaking on <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/0igvjcmgw4wYhAWvPzBauq?si=d40648c6b2d14b8c\" class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><u>The Town with Matthew Belloni podcast<\/u><\/a>, Cameron said there was potential for \u201csequelitis.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">&#8220;People tend to dismiss sequels unless it\u2019s the third Lord of the Rings film and you want to see what happens to everybody, which in my mind this is \u2014 this is the culmination of a story arc, but that may not be how the public sees it,\u201d he said. And there\u2019s the \u201cone-two punch\u201d of streaming and Covid, which means fewer people are going to the movies \u2014 75% of the number in 2019, Cameron suggested.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"jsx-313219616\"><a href=\"https:\/\/assets-prd.ignimgs.com\/2026\/04\/08\/gettyimages-2250724458-1768472235087-1775134000592-1775666590727.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"null\" class=\"progressive-image article-image article-image-full-size jsx-1809694635 jsx-2338608387\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/a><figcaption data-cy=\"caption\" class=\"caption jsx-1762799490 jsx-479945570 article-image-caption\">The fate of Avatar 4 and 5 is still up in the air. Photo by VCG\/VCG via Getty Images.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">When pressed on how much Avatar: Fire and Ash cost to make, Cameron wouldn\u2019t be drawn into divulging a figure, only suggesting it was a lot of money, and so the movie will have to make a lot of money to turn a profit.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">\u201cIt is one metric f**k ton of money, which means we have to make two metric f**k tons of money to make a profit,\u201d he said. \u201cI have no doubt in my mind that this movie will make money. The question is, does it make enough money to justify doing it again?\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">And on that point, Cameron admitted he was \u201cabsolutely\u201d ready to walk away from Avatar if Fire and Ash flops. \u201cI\u2019ve been in Avatar land for 20 years,\u201d he said. \u201cActually 30 years because I wrote it in \u201895, but I wasn\u2019t working continuously on it for those first 10 years. Yeah, absolutely, sure. If this is where it ends, cool.\u201d But what about open story threads? \u201cThere\u2019s one open thread. I\u2019ll write a book!\u201d Cameron responded.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">Last week, Avatar producer Rae Sanchini said <a class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ign.com\/articles\/as-far-as-im-concerned-were-heading-forward-avatar-4-and-5-full-speed-ahead-producer-insists-but-those-2029-and-2031-release-dates-are-tentative\">Avatar 4 and 5 were in the planning phase<\/a>. \u201cRight now we\u2019re figuring out the schedule,\u201d she said. \u201cWe\u2019re working hard on it right now, budgeting, scheduling, planning, building out our new pipeline for them. As far as we\u2019re concerned, we\u2019re full speed ahead.\u201d<\/p>\n<div data-cy=\"accent-divider\" class=\"jsx-3449795453 divider jsx-2786329600\"><\/div>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\"><em>Photo by VCG\/VCG via Getty Images.<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\"><em>Wesley is Director, News at IGN. Find him on Twitter at @wyp100. You can reach Wesley at wesley_yinpoole@ign.com or confidentially at wyp100@proton.me.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/section>\n<\/section>\n<p><span class=\"stack jsx-1475529924\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"jsx-2155806329 adunit-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"jsx-2155806329 bobble bobble-1 pogocnt pg-article\">\n<div data-mix-name=\"secondaryMedrec\" data-pos=\"1\" data-pogo-hide=\"1\" class=\"jsx-343126785 pogo-slot\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<section class=\"article-page\">\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">After making $1.5 billion at the global box office, you\u2019d imagine Avatar: Fire and Ash\u2019s commercial performance would guarantee Avatar 4 and 5. But according to a new report, Disney is weighing up the franchise\u2019s future, and may even cancel plans for an Avatar expansion at a theme park.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">James Cameron\u2019s special effects-heavy Avatar films cost a huge amount of money to produce, but they have historically made billions of dollars at the box office. 2009&#8217;s Avatar 1 remains the highest-grossing movie of all time (not adjusted for inflation), and has earned a staggering $2.9 billion across several theatrical runs. 2022&#8217;s <a class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ign.com\/movies\/avatar-the-way-of-water\"><u>Avatar: The Way of Water<\/u><\/a> has earned $2.3 billion, meanwhile, cementing its place as the third-highest grossing film of all time.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\"><a class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ign.com\/movies\/avatar-fire-and-ash\">Avatar: Fire and Ash<\/a>, however, made $1.5 billion during its theatrical run (according to <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/film\/box-office\/box-office-avatar-fire-and-ash-global-start-1236613854\/\" class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Variety<\/a>, Disney spent $350 million to produce Avatar: Fire and Ash and roughly $150 million to promote it). While $1.5 billion is a huge amount for any movie to make, it\u2019s some way behind its predecessors. So, has Fire and Ash done well enough to convince Disney to greenlight Avatar 4 and 5? Disney has given both sequels release dates already: Avatar 4 currently has a December 21, 2029 release date, with Avatar 5 due out December 19, 2031. Cameron, now 71, would be close to 80 years old by the time it all wraps up.<\/p>\n<div class=\"jsx-2021719738 video jsx-2008855984 aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9\">\n<div class=\"badge jsx-1349606671 jsx-3647116352\"><span class=\"ign-icon icon-play jsx-2750866048 jsx-1044454891\" role=\"img\" aria-hidden=\"false\" data-cy=\"icon-play\" aria-label=\"Play\" style=\"background:currentColor\"><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thewrap.com\/creative-content\/movies\/avatar-fire-and-ash-whats-next-for-the-franchise\/\" class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">TheWrap<\/a> reported that there are ongoing talks on how to make Avatar 4 and 5 cheaper and shorter than their predecessors so they are a less risky investment for Disney. But, according to the report, Disney has yet to make a call.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">\u201cIt\u2019s all about compare-and-contrast \u2014 Fire and Ash made half of what the first movie made.\u201d Paul Dergarabedian, head of marketplace trends at Comscore, told TheWrap. \u201cAnd ticket prices in 2009 were not what they are in 2025. That\u2019s the level that James Cameron and the Avatar films are operating in. When an $89 million domestic opening weekend and almost $1.5 billion worldwide would be seen \u2014 in any stretch \u2014 as a disappointment. That\u2019s why there\u2019s that perception. These are high-class problems to have.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">TheWrap also cast doubt over an Avatar-themed land at Disney California Adventure, which was set to be built this year. Retired Disney Imagineer Jim Shull, who spent over 32 years leading the creative design of rides and attractions at Disney Parks worldwide, commented: \u201cThe reality is that Avatar 3 did OK but as a cultural force, it\u2019s exhausted. Nobody is demanding to see more. They like what they have and if they really like it, they can go to Florida and see it.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">\u201cCalifornia does not have a lot of land. If Avatar had been a huge success and people were demanding 4 and 5 and beyond, that would change the equation. But there\u2019s not a lot of demand.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><button type=\"button\" class=\"jsx-2228525885\"><\/button><span data-cy=\"slideshow-view-trigger\"><\/p>\n<div data-cy=\"slideshow-preview\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 slideshow-preview\">\n<h3 class=\"title5 jsx-62124236 jsx-1085005187\" data-cy=\"slideshow-preview-title\">Every James Cameron Movie Ranked<\/h3>\n<div data-cy=\"slideshow-images-container\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 images-container\"><button type=\"button\" data-cy=\"hero-image\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 hero-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"We've ranked all nine of James Cameron's films from worst to best. Click through to see whether Terminator, Avatar or Aliens is crowned king of the hill.\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><span class=\"button-text jsx-729543028 button button--primary jsx-3381835873 jsx-4266531355 row-pagination-button next contained centered round large\" data-cy=\"paginate next\" title=\"Open Slideshow\"><span class=\"ign-icon right-chevron jsx-2750866048 jsx-2919720488\" role=\"presentation\" aria-hidden=\"true\" data-cy=\"right-chevron\" style=\"background:currentColor\"><\/span><\/span><\/button><\/p>\n<div data-cy=\"slideshow-images-list\" class=\"scrollbar jsx-2072772685 jsx-4243969252 images-list\"><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;9. Piranha II: The Spawning&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nWe doubt many cinephiles would argue against placing Piranha II at the bottom of Cameron\u2019s oeuvre. Even Cameron would surely support that choice, as he seems as eager as anyone to forget this low-budget horror sequel even exists.\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nPiranha II attempts to up the ante on the original by introducing flying variations of the man-eating fish. Suffice it to say, that did nothing to help the movie rise above the sea of Jaws wannabes of the late \u201870s. It certainly didn\u2019t help that the rookie Cameron (who got the job after working under B-movie legend Roger Corman) feuded constantly with executive producer Ovidio G. Assonitis and struggled to communicate with a crew of mostly Italian speakers. In fact, there\u2019s some conjecture as to how much of the film was actually directed by Cameron and how much was the handiwork of Assonitis himself.\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nIt\u2019s not the most auspicious start to a directing career, but Piranha II does have a couple of things going for it, at least. The prosthetics work helped pave the way for some of the creature effects in 1986\u2019s Aliens. Not to mention that Piranha II kicked off a long and fruitful partnership between Cameron and actor Lance Henriksen.\n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"rounded jsx-412047461 overlay progressive-image jsx-2338608387 expand\" data-cy=\"slideshow-image-overlay\">\n<div data-cy=\"element-caption\" class=\"caption jsx-1762799490\">View 10 Images<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><\/button><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;8. Avatar&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nIn a world of nonstop Marvel movies and Star Wars spinoffs, Avatar remains the highest-grossing film in history. Clearly, Cameron knows how to put butts in seats without the need for a preexisting franchise.\nIt\u2019s really not hard to see why Avatar struck such a deep chord with moviegoers in 2009. The film introduced the beautifully alien world of Pandora, a place where all creatures coexist in grand ecological harmony, and a world threatened by mankind\u2019s insatiable hunger for resources. Watching Avatar is like taking a guided tour through the most visually stunning safari in the universe.\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nUnfortunately, Avatar suffers quite a bit from its cast of mostly bland, forgettable characters and a story best summed up as \u201cDances With Wolves meets Fern Gully.\u201d But simplistic though it is, Avatar is a visually stunning film that remains about the only compelling case for owning a 3D television set.  \n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/button><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;7. The Abyss&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nHuman beings are fascinated by the ocean. The ocean is as intriguing as it is terrifying. This dichotomy forms the basis for The Abyss, Cameron's 1989 sci-fi movie that is home to a great premise whose execution is a bit hit or miss. In The Abyss, an American submarine sinks after colliding with an unidentified object. With the Soviets fast approaching and a hurricane about to rain on the Navy's rescue efforts, a small team of SEALs are dispatched to help a group of scientists recover the missing sub. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; \nThe Abyss works best in the way that it creates three-dimensional characters out of underwater roughnecks, and we feel something for each one of them - especially Ed Harris' Bud and Mary Elizabeth Masterantonio's Lindsey. Viewers feel the psychological torment of being trapped in a small space with endless gallons of water surrounding on all sides. They also experience the wonder of discovery as the characters encounter an unexpected alien presence on the ocean floor. As with many Cameron movies, the musical score itself does a great job of sucking viewers in and adding to the mood.   \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nAnd the movie marks the first time CGI was used to create a photo-real character for film. The Pseudopod tentacle led to the creation of Terminator 2's liquid metal villain. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nThe Abyss might have been a long, sometimes plodding movie, even before the eventual director's cut, but it remains a quality genre picture with more going on than your average movie about alien visitors and those they visit.  \n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/button><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;6. Avatar: The Way of Water&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nAvatar: The Way of Water is the first in what\u2019s shaping up to be a long line of sequels to Cameron\u2019s 2009 smash hit. This sequel opens up the world of Pandora in a very literal way, as Jake Sully and family meet a tribe of water-dwelling Na\u2019vi and renew their fight against a greedy, bloodthirsty human military. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nThe Way of Water doesn\u2019t necessarily fix any of the problems inherent to the original. This is still a very straightforward blockbuster marked by a cast of underdeveloped heroes and villains. It\u2019s also about an hour longer than the plot really demands. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nBut even more than with the first movie, Avatar 2 thrives on the strength of its world and the stunning creatures and environments it conjures up. This is one of the most expensive movies ever made, and every cent of that massive budget is apparent on-screen. The Way of Water is a sumptuous visual feast that has enough heart to make up for its storytelling shortcomings.\n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/button><button data-cy=\"gallery-image\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Open Slideshow\" class=\"jsx-1711207865 gallery-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"&lt;b&gt;5. Titanic&lt;\/b&gt;\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nTitanic is concrete proof that it never pays to doubt James Cameron. What many feared would turn out to be a massively expensive folly instead became a box office juggernaut that tied Ben-Hur for the most Academy Awards won by a single film. Cameron wasn\u2019t exaggerating during his infamous Oscars speech. He really was king of the world back in 1998.\n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nTitanic deftly shows off Cameron\u2019s knack for combining sweeping epics with intimate human drama. The film hooks audiences early on thanks to its loving recreation of the infamously doomed sea liner and the Romeo and Juliet-esque romance between Leonardo DiCaprio\u2019s Jack and Kate Winslet\u2019s Rose. Then comes the gutwrenching third act, as we see the magnificent vessel come apart at the seams and the desperate scramble for survival unfolds. \n&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;\nIt\u2019s impossible to watch Titanic and not come out the other side feeling emotionally drained. Yet that hardly stopped moviegoers from returning to the theater again and again.    \n\" class=\"progressive-image jsx-2021719738 image aspect-ratio aspect-ratio-16-9 jsx-2605834259 jsx-2338608387 hover-opacity\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/button><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">The report tallies with <a class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ign.com\/articles\/james-cameron-says-he-must-find-a-cheaper-way-to-produce-the-avatar-movies-in-order-to-continue-with-avatar-4-and-5\">recent comments from Cameron himself<\/a>, who said Avatar 3 would need to make a lot of money, and he\u2019d need to figure out a way to make Avatar 4 and 5 for less money in order to get the thumbs up from Disney. \u201cHere\u2019s the thing: the movie industry is depressed right now,&#8221; he explained. Avatar 3 cost a lot of money. We have to do well in order to continue. We have to do well and we need to figure out how to make Avatar movies more inexpensively in order to continue,\u201d he said. \u201cIf we continue and we do 4, we also do 4 and 5 together. So we made 2 and 3 together, one big story. And then 4 and 5 is another big story.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">Cameron\u2019s comments here echoed those he made in the run up to Fire and Ash\u2019s release, when he admitted he was feeling nervous about the film\u2019s box office performance and expressed concern about the \u201cforces\u201d working against theatrical releases. Speaking on <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/0igvjcmgw4wYhAWvPzBauq?si=d40648c6b2d14b8c\" class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><u>The Town with Matthew Belloni podcast<\/u><\/a>, Cameron said there was potential for \u201csequelitis.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">&#8220;People tend to dismiss sequels unless it\u2019s the third Lord of the Rings film and you want to see what happens to everybody, which in my mind this is \u2014 this is the culmination of a story arc, but that may not be how the public sees it,\u201d he said. And there\u2019s the \u201cone-two punch\u201d of streaming and Covid, which means fewer people are going to the movies \u2014 75% of the number in 2019, Cameron suggested.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"jsx-313219616\"><a href=\"https:\/\/assets-prd.ignimgs.com\/2026\/04\/08\/gettyimages-2250724458-1768472235087-1775134000592-1775666590727.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"null\" class=\"progressive-image article-image article-image-full-size jsx-1809694635 jsx-2338608387\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-cy=\"progressive-image\"><\/a><figcaption data-cy=\"caption\" class=\"caption jsx-1762799490 jsx-479945570 article-image-caption\">The fate of Avatar 4 and 5 is still up in the air. Photo by VCG\/VCG via Getty Images.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">When pressed on how much Avatar: Fire and Ash cost to make, Cameron wouldn\u2019t be drawn into divulging a figure, only suggesting it was a lot of money, and so the movie will have to make a lot of money to turn a profit.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">\u201cIt is one metric f**k ton of money, which means we have to make two metric f**k tons of money to make a profit,\u201d he said. \u201cI have no doubt in my mind that this movie will make money. The question is, does it make enough money to justify doing it again?\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">And on that point, Cameron admitted he was \u201cabsolutely\u201d ready to walk away from Avatar if Fire and Ash flops. \u201cI\u2019ve been in Avatar land for 20 years,\u201d he said. \u201cActually 30 years because I wrote it in \u201895, but I wasn\u2019t working continuously on it for those first 10 years. Yeah, absolutely, sure. If this is where it ends, cool.\u201d But what about open story threads? \u201cThere\u2019s one open thread. I\u2019ll write a book!\u201d Cameron responded.<\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\">Last week, Avatar producer Rae Sanchini said <a class=\"link jsx-1337145738 jsx-3925284146 underlined\" data-cy=\"styled-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ign.com\/articles\/as-far-as-im-concerned-were-heading-forward-avatar-4-and-5-full-speed-ahead-producer-insists-but-those-2029-and-2031-release-dates-are-tentative\">Avatar 4 and 5 were in the planning phase<\/a>. \u201cRight now we\u2019re figuring out the schedule,\u201d she said. \u201cWe\u2019re working hard on it right now, budgeting, scheduling, planning, building out our new pipeline for them. As far as we\u2019re concerned, we\u2019re full speed ahead.\u201d<\/p>\n<div data-cy=\"accent-divider\" class=\"jsx-3449795453 divider jsx-2786329600\"><\/div>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\"><em>Photo by VCG\/VCG via Getty Images.<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-cy=\"paragraph\" class=\"paragraph jsx-2269604527\"><em>Wesley is Director, News at IGN. Find him on Twitter at @wyp100. You can reach Wesley at wesley_yinpoole@ign.com or confidentially at wyp100@proton.me.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/section>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>After making $1.5 billion at the global box office, you\u2019d imagine Avatar: Fire and Ash\u2019s commercial performance would guarantee Avatar 4 and 5. But according to a new report, Disney is weighing up the franchise\u2019s future, and may even cancel plans for an Avatar expansion at a theme park. 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